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in Denny Hastert's old Wingnut red stomping grounds is an indicator that history (and I mean a couple of years from now) is not going to be kind to these buffoons.
May they live the rest of their lives in shame and be shunned by the public that they sold out for $$$:
PS - How about those poor suckers at SMU who are housing W's "library"? BwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
by Jeff Y on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:40:55 AM PDT
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maybe it takes a conservative Republican to bring down the Bush Crime Family.
John McCain: on fire, reversed, stopped.
The Music Room.
by madhaus on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:20:45 AM PDT
Coming from the Democrats, it would be dismissed as a partisan witch hunt, blah blah blah...
At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollup, you c*nt. - Sen. John McCain
by Potus2020 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:26:51 AM PDT
Regarding crimes leading to impeachment, anyway. Pelosi should NEVER have made that statement about taking impeachment off the table, but...
I'm in partial agreement with this Republican on the issue:
From my perspective as a life-long Republican who supports impeachment, Pelosi has done the right thing. Conviction on an impeachment takes two thirds of the Senate and will require support from both parties. Of course, to produce the desired results, any impeachment would have to include both the President and Vice President Cheney. Since Bush and Cheney are Republicans, a bipartisan impeachment process must be started by Republicans in the House of Representatives, not by Democrats, and least of all by Pelosi, whose legitimacy as President after Bush and Cheney are removed must be protected at all costs.
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by swampus on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:04:23 AM PDT
I can imagine Madam Speaker's thoughts as Rohrabacher had his say.
"But but but.... but it's off the table.... splutter...."
Sounds like she kinda got the rug pulled out from under her rather rudely. Such a shame. She could have been an historic figure for rather more than just her gender.
Searching for corrupt, lobbyist loving John McCain?
by Lisa Lockwood on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:09:08 AM PDT
[Pelosi] could have been an historic figure for rather more than just her gender.
She may end up with a small footnote: Speaker Pelosi could have ended the reign of Bush/Cheney criminality in 2006, but she demurred, thus giving the war criminal American administration a two-year extension on their spasm of lies and crimes.
Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.
by Yellow Canary on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:35:43 AM PDT
I hear they're building a shelf for the book
If Liberals really hated America we'd vote Republican
by exlrrp on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 07:23:23 AM PDT
I didn't realize Bush had finished reading "My Pet Goat" yet.
John McCain hates children.
by discocarp on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 07:34:05 AM PDT
It's his legacy.
The difference between the right word, and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and lightning bugs. M.Twain
by patarico adamasso on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:37:58 AM PDT
...Accuracy, y'know, reality based and all.
The name of the book was (is) THE Pet Goat.
Little errors like that have given these bastids constant cover.
After all the complaining the GOP did over weasel words we should have known they were planning to raise it to an art form.
One of their few, aside from lying with a smile.
you were sick, but now you're well again and there's work to do- vonnegut
by zzyzx on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:27:40 AM PDT
The shelf will have room for two books as soon as he finishes coloring in the second one.
by madhaus on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:54:06 PM PDT
That's the name of the book!
by Fallon on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:43:42 PM PDT
There are a number of possibilities, none of them good for her:
Poss no. 1- An act of her complicity with the BushCo agenda.
Poss no. 2- Cowardice
Poss no. 3- Being threatened with having her political or personal skeletons revealed.
Poss no. 4- All of the above.
The House Democrats have an excellent chance of taking the House by a sizeable majority this November. They would be making a huge mistake of they selected Pelosi or Hoyer for the leadership positions again.
by calibpatriot on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:24:45 PM PDT
It is also possible that simply at that time there was not enough support in the House for Impeachment, for up to 435 different reasons.
It is also possible that Impeachment in the Age of Terrorism is, tactically, different from Impeachment in the Age of Bipartisan Principle of Communist Containment.
Lastly, even as Rohrabacher's motives may be suspect, I would agree with his fundamental conclusion that the three branches of government need to be re-made as equal.
Please read the entire speech and you will see the final paragraph:
"And to the American people, I say, carefully consider who our leaders are going to be and carefully consider the issue of the day. We have a wonderful democratic society. There's a balance of power here set up by our Founding Fathers. And it's important, whether you're Republican or Democrat, that we maintain this balance of an authority, the legislative, executive, and judicial in this country, and we should not be setting precedents that the President of the United States has the lion's share of the power in this great democracy of ours. The power is rested in these three branches and in the people themselves."
Note Rohrabacher's concern about "precedents".
This is not a partisan argument, and certainly it is not a new argument, just one that is growing in urgency.
by Knarfc on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:52:55 PM PDT
are interesting.Is he concerned Bush is getting too big for his britches? Probably. This wiretapping thing should have ever Republican as well as Democrat "concerned".
I suspect you can keep Congress in line for only long before they realize they have created a monster.
Rohrabacker is tied to the Abramoff scandal with his visit to Mariana Islands and maybe some hush money to boot.Maybe he just got tired of being blackmailed.
Pelosi and Feinstein both have husbands who benefit from government contracts. That seems to keep them quiet and "impeachment off the table".
If Dana wants to act like a patriot instead of a puppet, so be it.
A massive show of force against the administration's out of control power grab would benefit everyone.I'd even be generous enough to say that clemency would be a fair trade for getting back our Democratic Republic.
by lindalrs on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:05:09 PM PDT
I honestly think he didn't care about Bushco stealing power for the Republicans, but when he realized that he wasn't going to be in on it because Bush had decided to lock out Congress entirely, that probably changed his mind:
It is more likely that what we have here is an ongoing coverup and not an ongoing investigation. In fact, I have been told recently by a former member of the Justice Department that they were told routinely simply to give answers that there is an ongoing investigation even if no ongoing investigation was underway, but simply using it as a phrase to dismiss a request from Congress.
We've been waiting for Republicans in Congress to notice that Bush is destroying their powers as Congressmen. Ron Paul and Walt Jones noticed. Maybe Dana Rohrbacher finally noticed.
-5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!
by neroden on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:22:13 PM PDT
Whaddaya think all that surveillance was about, exactly? Surely, you don't believe that 'terrorism' mumbo-jumbo? ;-)
It was just to spy on congress and hold something over the head of every single member, so that none would oppose the king!
hinc illae lacrimae
by coffeeinamrica on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:52:51 PM PDT
I want her to live long enough to see what the history books are going to say about her.
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by alizard on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:44:01 PM PDT
Here is the first thing Pelosi or any congressperson is required to do in office:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States.
Political "reality" is simply lack of followthrough on that oath (for which Republican encouragement is dubious, and I did read the deLespinasse link). We will continue to live with lawlessness until we, the people, hold her and other oath-breakers in Congress accountable to the Constitution instead of things like "legitimacy as President after Bush and Cheney."
by CJnyc on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:17:30 AM PDT
Why is upholding the Constitution considered radical?
by Heart of the Rockies on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 06:01:12 AM PDT
when they speak of Impeachment. That's why it seems radical- they are seen as putting the cart before the horse. They instead should speak of investigations, getting to the bottom of it, etc. I know most people here have seen enough evidence to convict, as do I, but sadly the low information American people know more about Britney's custody battle. Impeachment can only happen if there's a coordinated effort to reach those people through a combination of Congressional investigations and a creative propaganda campaign. Why is it that Democrats get all this money from Hollywood and yet still seem so incapable of manipulating the press or talking in sound bytes with correct framing? Frankly, I do think we'd be more successful if we waited until Bush left office then it would have less appearance of trying to cheat and frame it as more of a historical appraisal, taking inventory, righting things, cleaning up the mess, etc.. By then, there will be even more to go after him on and they won't be in office to throw up roadblocks. If the investigations gets stonewalled by the court, then we can impeach them too.
by Joe Willy on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 06:50:29 AM PDT
Let's investigate and see where it leads. But the way subpoena power has been handled by this congress has been pretty lame.
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by billlaurelMD on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:00:15 AM PDT
Impeachment is NOT the punishment, as we are often led to believe. Impeachment is the open door through which investigations must pass. To impeach a witness in a criminal trial means to destroy that witness' credibility by showing dishonesty, malfeasance, perjury, etc.
We like to think of impeachment as the end result, but it is the starting point for justice. With the career criminality in this administration, impeachment must precede any real investigation. It's the only way around the abuse of "privilege" and crony coverups that are now bushco's last line of defense.
DO IT, you PATSIES!!!
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by kamarvt on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:08:43 AM PDT
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Impeachment is not a constitutional crisis. We are in a constitutional crisis already. Impeachment is the cure.
by ZAPatty on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:45:21 AM PDT
after the most humiliating trial possible. I want people to be ashamed to admit in public that they were ever Bush Republicans. For some, of course, this is a matter of public record. People like Sean Hannity or The Pickle, who have radio shows or print columns, will never be able to hide from their shame.
by swampus on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:07:43 AM PDT
>>Democrats have it wrong when they speak of Impeachment. That's why it seems radical- they are seen as putting the cart before the horse.
Wrong. Impeachment hearings are like grand jury hearings: that's when charges are aired and evidence is gathered.
If Dems had called for Removal hearings, THAT would have been putting cart before horse.
All that said, removal and likely impeachment would have been impossible and after Monica-gate (thanks Clintons!), impeachment hearings have been discredited and so dem pols had to forego them in favor of electoral impeachment of Republicans (and the poll #s clearly indicated and still indicate that that strategy was viable).
Jesus: "Destroy this temple"
by a gnostic on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:38:46 AM PDT
Bush and Cheney were impeached and Nancy Pelosi became the first woman president.
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. Douglas Adams
by ryan81 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 07:45:07 AM PDT
because we then would have to prepare for impeaching Pelosi! ;o)
by Miles in WesternWA on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:29:09 AM PDT
Pelosi should NEVER have made that statement about taking impeachment off the table
That is part and parcel of this whole ordeal. IANAL, but it still seems to me that "she took it off the table" is, in and of itself, a crime.
On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place
by o the umanity on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:32:00 AM PDT
"she took it off the table" is, in and of itself, a crime.
She, too, took an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the consitution", did she not? By not investigating and prosecuting BushCo's crimes, she, like them, has broken that oath, and makes herself an accessory after the fact.
If she's not part of the prosecution, she's part of the cover-up. If she's part of the cover-up, she's part of the crime.She and the rest of the roll-over-for-Bushco Dems should be investigated for not investigating!
Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.
by drewfromct on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 10:00:38 AM PDT
of Pelosi's statement is that she does not have the constitutional authority to take impeachment off the table. It was also illogical in that she was, in effect, saying that no crime that Bush was discovered to have committed or that he might commit would ever be serious enough to lead to impeachment. She didn't need to make the statement. She could have made a less sweeping, and constitutionally more valid, statement that would have reassured the public that a democratically controlled congress was not going to be purely partisan.
by Eric Blair on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:31:31 AM PDT
Who the hell is she to REMOVE a Constitutional right to impeach?
To me, it's an impeachable offense and she herself should face impeachment.
The Constitution is NOT optional, Pelosi. And, BTW, it is the ONLY thing that will put a stop to to the impending war with Iran. The ONLY thing. Full stop.
You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.
by mattman on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:20:30 PM PDT
interests. Wonder what Bush has on her?
by lindalrs on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:08:46 PM PDT
In reading the testimony, I hadn't finished, but just read what you highlited here, swampus. It's actually a bit jarring to hear such frank, smart words from a Republican - loony as he is - and I had not considered this angle before, when lamenting Pelosi's inaction.
Since Bush and Cheney are Republicans, a bipartisan impeachment process must be started by Republicans in the House of Representatives, not by Democrats, and least of all by Pelosi, whose legitimacy as President after Bush and Cheney are removed must be protected at all costs.
He is able to actually conceive of Pelosi as President - and in fact uses the definitive phrasing, "are removed"!
by coffeeinamrica on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:47:57 PM PDT
I'm hunting pawtisan witches...
"Oaths bind not an ill man. Were I minded to do you ill, then lightestly would I swear any oath you desire, and lightestly in the next moment be forsworn."
by jbelac on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 06:19:30 PM PDT
{Rimshot}
When harmonious relationships dissolve, respect and devotion arise; when a nation falls to chaos, loyalty and patriotism are born - Daodejing (paraphrased)
by koNko on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:00:34 AM PDT
Crazy Dana's sudden "epiphany" sounds like a self-serving attempt at saving his wingnut ass at the polls.
Losing Il.-14 has to shake Pubbie confidence. Dana can read the writing, and it looks bleak.
Rohrabacher's jumping off the Chimpy ship. Good; but his motives are damn suspicious to me.
Today, 7/17/08, 4121 Americans, and untold Iraqis are dead, tens of thousands more maimed. Bush lied, how soon before your family pays the price for that?
by boilerman10 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 08:59:12 AM PDT
He'll get a nice, short term spike for moderating his political stance regarding the Bushies, much like Gordon Smith does at opportune times so that he, too, looks less like a fascist when he needs to.
If Dana were really in a "discovery" phase of his assessment of Bush, where has he been in the past 7 years? His presumed ignorance of the destructive political theater directed by Chucklenuts, Turdblossom, and Darth Vader earns him a job at the local car wash. Who is supposed to have patience with duplicitous assholes like this Congressman?
And by extension, who is supposed to have patience with the Democrats who shit in their pants every time someone in the Unitary Executive picks up the phone and calls Roger Ailes?
Who indeed?
by Eyeball Kid on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:26:10 AM PDT
If we want peace, why do we give weapons and call it "aid"?
by gdwtch52 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:13:33 AM PDT
by boilerman10 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:33:46 PM PDT
like that, I imagine we should be able to get some kind of order to require Bush and Cheney to testify with a record of what they said sometime after Jenna Bush sends her grandkids to college.
Boilerman - any chance you are a Purdue Alum?
George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"
by snafubar on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:59:10 PM PDT
to search for... Articles pointing to Dana's sudden motivation. I figured there is something else he wanted and didn't get, or he's kissing-up to his district to win re-election.
by coffeeinamrica on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 06:01:06 PM PDT
but he sure sounds right this time. Wonder why...
by victoria2dc on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:11:48 AM PDT
but some of the wingnuts have principles. Bushco is not about principles. It is about methods and rationales for transferring money from poor and middle class people to the wealthy and, in particular, friends of Bush. Principled conservatives should actually oppose much of what Bushco has done.
by Eric Blair on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:36:40 AM PDT
Just following the diary tags on this site led me to some stories questioning his forthrightness.
He's grinding some axe against BushWorld, but I'd bet it's not a righteous motivation.
by nowness on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:52:49 PM PDT
Or at least Jon Stewart?
"This is not our America and we need to take it back." John Edwards.
by mcmom on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:29:40 AM PDT
How did WE all miss it??
by Inky99 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:52:24 AM PDT
Congratulations. A good thing we don't rely on commercial television to do our research for us, let alone reporting.
by mcmom on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:23:12 PM PDT
will be getting generous retirement and benefits packages, courtesy of the taxpayers. Might be time to change those packages, hum?
by mcmom on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:28:42 AM PDT
...I suppose they could convert the Chump in Chief's Library into a parking garage!
by Randall Sherman on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:43:20 PM PDT
wide narrow
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