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but there was no "other".
As far as the math, Kid Oakland put it as well as I have seen it anywhere:
By dint of a fawning beltway and New York press corps that ignores the clear math, Senator Clinton lives to campaign another day after her popular vote wins in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island left her further, not closer, to closing the delegate margin with Senator Obama. (What Collins does not note in her Op/Ed is that those wins netted Clinton as few as a four delegate advantage...a net that Obama could well make up in Wyoming and Mississippi.)
The media right now is promoting a fallacy - a fallacy based on their inability to comprehend the simple math. Maybe I'm a geek because I'm an engineer, but it doesn't take calculus, folks. The writing is on the wall, but we need to keep working!
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams
by Red no more on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:26:49 AM PDT
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...38% of the remaining delegates were handed out last Tuesday and she barely made a single digit dent, one that will be wiped out by Wyoming and Mississippi...think about that for a minute...her gains (the only + delegate day she has had on the campaign) will be erased by two of the smallest delegate handouts (.5% total of those remaining as of last Tuesday)...
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
by Aqualad08 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:31:49 AM PDT
is Clinton's "resounding victory" and "reinvigorated campaign". It's all pure garbage and spin. Her small popular vote victories and minimal and short-lived delegate gains are really irrelevant - yet the msm continues to eat this drivel up and regurgitate it daily.
If the media were intelligent/honest (or maybe both?), the headline would read:
"Clinton victories: Too little too late!"
by Red no more on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:38:18 AM PDT
maybe it was this past week, but it was with a question mark instead of exclamation point at the end.
THe numbers do not matter anymore, they did when they helped Hillary but not now. Now it is her ability to persuade the SD's in Denver that is the focus point of this race. We are watching spin at its finest this year, overtaking the swiftboat phenom of '04.
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002-GWB
by meatwad420 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:45:12 AM PDT
Are we taking what had all the makings of a "sure thing" election and turning it into a quagmire of disputed delegates, internecine quarreling, meaningless spin and Republican-style fear-mongering?
That's what this is starting to feel like. I can't think of a better way to destroy all the enthusiasm that has been generated so far. Will anyone step forward to fix this?
by Red no more on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:53:07 AM PDT
Obama is no longer just running against HRC.
He's running against the Republican party (Rove/Mehlman section) and their point guards, the mass media: tv, radio and certain newspapers.
Is there any evidence that the Nixonian dirty tricks have ever stopped? Or has it proliferated election cycle after election cycle, with expanded means of disenfranchising voters and stealing the will of the people?
Those media aren't ignoring this due to their grandiose ignorance or sly misconceptions, they are doing so on purpose, as ordered, with malice aforethought.
It's Obama against the world and that is the real math behind the beltway histrionics.
"But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj
by walkshills on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:16:08 PM PDT
There's only one way to stop it: the people.
The people stopped the Vietnam war. The people got voting rights for women and Blacks. The people overthrew communist eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.
Obama is leading the people.
(My 90-year old Dad was watching CNN yesterday--I don't watch CNN anymore, but he does. When I came in the room he said, "this network looks like it's supporting Clinton."
Dad isn't tuned in much to this stuff, so if he can see it then they've gone way overboard.
Putting a positive spin on a 23 point loss? Even Dad sniffed it out.)
May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care.
by Fonsia on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:25:25 PM PDT
by juca on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:44:45 PM PDT
Get him his favorite malt or milkshake.
And, obviously, we don't need to be making excuses for the media, particularly the naive ones that pop up here so much.
They are multinational corps. who have a vested interest in every political decision made, from the most obscure committee in Congress to the Presidency. They reflect their interest, not ours, not those of we the people. And the bend over to power.
You're right, Obama is leading the people. And we are wandering around in a desert, one stripped bare of the Constitutional springs that once quenched our thirst for truth. And chances are it's going to get a lot hotter before we find our way out.
by walkshills on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:47:05 PM PDT
Broker will be able to sleep in any of their 12 mansions until its a Clinton/McCain ticket contest.
I belong to no organized political party, I'm a Democrat. -Will Rogers
by geez53 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:44:44 PM PDT
And my compassion doesn't run in inverse ratio; I'll be as compassionate as they are. No sweet dreams for them.
by walkshills on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:50:02 PM PDT
If HRC fails to score a significant victory in PA -- on that cuts into Obama's pledged delegate lead in a big way -- can he neutralize the superdelegates? He will control the credentials committee, so would he be able to refuse to seat any superdelegates that haven't publicly committed to vote for the pledged delegate winner?
by monster on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:55:16 PM PDT
And that STUPID confetti.
by JoelNH on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:16:01 PM PDT
The MSM is very easily led...
by Aqualad08 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:31:20 PM PDT
Last night. Can't post it here, since I just started this account. If anyone wants to repost or link in a diary I'd be grateful:
http://www.mydd.com/...
Long story short, Hillary needs to meet a mathematical expectation of 67.5% of the delegates in all the remaining contest. Anything less in any one of them and it's less likely she will get to popular vote.
by TheSilverMonkey on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:03:55 PM PDT
to post over there :-)
-7.75, -6.05 The point of the war in Iraq is that there IS a war in Iraq- Keith Olbermann
by nicolemm on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:10:59 PM PDT
but I was impressed with your post, BUT MOST ESPECIALLY your replies to the HRC fans over there. Well done!
HOPE: It's the new black. And it's WINNING!!
by Samwoman on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:51:58 PM PDT
Like I said, I'd love to post over here, but I just started my account and apparently have to wait a week before I can put up a diary. I'd like to get the accurate math message out there to give us a better way to frame these results (anyone who wants to post that diary here with links would have my gratitude). Also, to help us keep our head in the game and proceed with this process on OUR terms, not the terms of the losing candidate.
by TheSilverMonkey on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:03:06 PM PDT
Last time I visited mydd, there was a frontpage article insisting that Hills really won Texas after all, because the caucus portion of the delegate count was "unfair." That's the stupidest fracking thing I've read in a while. I have a limited amount of free time, and I don't need to fill it with teh stoopid!
by Dagoril on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:04:04 PM PDT
I usually go over there to see what Hillary's camp is spewing. However, they let you post diaries right away, and I had been meaning to write this, so I just posted it there first. I'll repost it over here whenever I gain access to diaries next week.
by TheSilverMonkey on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:29:22 PM PDT
I can't hang out for the comments , and you should be sure to get a tip jar up right away so you get the FULL credit.
Should I go ahead, or would you rather wait?
by Samwoman on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:08:36 PM PDT
Go for it. Sooner we can get perspective on this, the better.
by TheSilverMonkey on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:33:13 PM PDT
by Samwoman on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:50:42 PM PDT
your arrival.
by gogol on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:28:43 PM PDT
Seriously, it is the best diary I've seen in days.
http://www.dailykos.com/...
by superba on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:56:34 PM PDT
by gogol on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:24:37 AM PDT
And fantastic that you posted it on MyDD, no point just preaching to the choir all the time...
Maybe some of those who are currently Clinton supporters but capable of being sensible, will see it and learn.
Thanks.
by lizabroad on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:23:08 PM PDT
Wyoming generated. Didn't make the front page of the Washington Post. I imagine we'll see something similar for Mississippi.
by leawood on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:35:21 PM PDT
...but I think Mississippi, being a weekday contest, will get a little better ccoverage, especially if Obama's camp focuses on the "in the last 8 days we have gained X delegates total"...
by Aqualad08 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:48:47 PM PDT
by leawood on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:05:01 PM PDT
March 4 was her last big chance, and she failed. She failed to make any significant inroads into Obama's pledged delegate lead.
The problem is that she is staying in the race, because numerous articles have explained the huge amounts of hatred the Clintons have towards Obama. I wouldn't be surprised if she's just in it now to sabotage Obama so he loses to McCain in the fall.
by scimitar on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:50:13 AM PDT
today, from Sunday Times in London.
I can't believe the other Dems in the party are standing for this.
Never give up! Never surrender!
by oscarsmom on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:53:37 AM PDT
that would be like Mount Vesuvius erupting on Hillary's Pompeii. It would cause an anvalanche of superdelegates for Obama.
by TLS66 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:33:29 PM PDT
that her incessant whining actually worked. When she started that stuff I just laughed it off....for a while. But the Clinton News Network and others lapped it up and asked for more...no honest headlines any more. Just. Spin.
"What, Me Worry?"...King George Walker Alfred Eusless Newman Bush
by RantNRaven on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:20:43 PM PDT
claiming "Get the facts", "No Agenda", "Demand the truth. We do."
by TLS66 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:50:06 PM PDT
It's happened before.
Dennis Perrin's Savage Mules: The Democrats and Endless War
by darrelplant on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:54:42 PM PDT
So why are they not reporting it? Simple... it makes for good news cycles... The media LOVES a dogfight... especially a negative one. That's one of he reasons you hear them pushing the "when will Obama go negative" meme. It leaves them breathless in anticipation of what they get to report next.
Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain.
by Jen K in FLA on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 11:57:40 AM PDT
it doesn't take calculus, folks.
It's not even math. It's just bean-counting. Anyone can do it, and those who choose to ignore the results are doing so because they don't like them, not because they can't understand them.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
by kyril on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:03:02 PM PDT
that winning by a TKO won't do it. When you up against the champ you've got to knock him out.
We have to win decisively and without doubt or it will be taken from us.
by Fonsia on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:17:59 PM PDT
sorry, can't remember who it was ... who said that it was the responsibility of the SDs to pick the candidate who was best for the party and the country, and that he didn't consider a 100 or so difference between the number of pledged delegates significant. Sounds as if he will vote Clinton unless the gap widens (or he will redefine "significant.")
by RainyDay on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:56:53 PM PDT
Oregon, Sec of State. He also stated the following:
Secretary of State Bill Bradbury said that if there is no clear leader, he is prepared to exercise his judgment. "If the pledged-delegate total is within 100 votes or whatever, I don't think there's a great deal of significance in that," said Bradbury, who also represents other secretaries of state as a superdelegate.
He added: "I just believe that the determining factor for superdelegates shouldn't be, 'Well, 49 percent voted for Hillary and 51 percent voted for Obama, and that decides it for us.' Sorry, but that's not how it works."
This comes from todays article by Dan Balz in the Washington Post. There are several SD's expressing the same opinion in the article.
by blueocean on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:19:04 PM PDT
"I voted for Bush in 2000," said Kutcher. "Boy, did I get punk'd."
by samlang on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:21:41 PM PDT
And told him that as the secretary of state for MY state, he should make damned well sure he knows how a democracy works.
"As much as I know that you're a Clinton shill trying your best to steal the nomination from Obama, you should, as secretary of state, know what DEMOCRACY looks like. So yes, Bill, when 51 percent of people vote for something in a democracy, that DOES mean something - it means that it represents the will of the people. And you will BURN politically if you help overturn that. Represent the voice of the people and represent the voters in the state of Oregon"
Grrrr.
Respect. Empower. Include. Yes We Can!
by The Great Gatsby on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 03:43:01 PM PDT
to start putting pressure, lots of it, on their SDs. Obamas drawing power and down ballot coattails should be sufficient. I don't know what HRC and her lot are holding out as promises and/or intimidations but we musn't forget that SDs are hardboiled politicos who, in general, want their party to win...if only to preserve their own fiefdom.
"We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson
by mayan on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:08:06 PM PDT
It's time for them to know what will happen if they overturn the will of the voters, so that they can make their decision in full knowledge of the facts, and the political realities.
Tell them not only that they will be held accountable, but that Hillary cannot win in November if she wins the nomination this way. If they don't already realize that they need to hear it--and from a sufficient number of us to believe it.
by oscarsmom on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:23:54 PM PDT
It's simple arithmetic. Such a shame that adding up columns of numbers seems to be such a challenge for "some" :-)
Come see TV from the reality-based community at RealityBasedTV.com
by MarkInSanFran on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:19:12 PM PDT
Although I often mutter (okay, sometimes scream) that the pundits on TV are blathering idiots, only a small minority of them actually are idiots. Some are clearly partisans with a particular motivation -- I'm thinking Joe Scarborough or Paul Begala here -- and some are a bit too enamored of the dirty tactics of campaigning (e.g. Chris Matthews). They aren't completely innumerate, however, and even if they were they have people on their teams who can explain the delegate situation more-or-less clearly (Chuck Todd is the best at this).
No, the media simply putting its own self-interest above the reality of the situation. Since news programming has become less about news, facts, and actual investigation, and more about entertainment in recent years, more and more so-called journalists have become accustomed to thinking about everything in terms of the news story, rather than the underlying reality. I think many pundits have almost convinced themselves that this race is still up for grabs, even though the reality of the math and basic common sense suggests that it is all but over (barring a major Obama gaffe).
by Sedi on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:21:09 PM PDT
When good journalism and potential ad revenues clash, you can pretty well see what wins!
That's one reason I gave up TeeVee in my house almost 5 years ago - and I rarely miss it. I do confess to being and internet political junkie, however :-/
by Red no more on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:26:08 PM PDT
Being behind is being ahead. Losing is winning. Having no chance is momentum. Black is white. Hell, on the big tv screen, you can get our ass kicked and come out ahead.
The constitutional crisis was over two years ago. It's been full-scale erosion since then.
by geomoo on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:48:23 PM PDT
That's really whats happening here. TV/MSM is supporting it's own power base, and it's own self-interest. They are used to having all the key influence in national elections, paid major money for that exalted privilige, and hope to maintain it.
Turn it off, and go online. And keep working the problem.
by Asherd on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 02:21:11 PM PDT
When my Dad passes, the first thing I'm going to do is cancel the cable teevee.
I'm beginning to look forward to it. The only shows I can stand to watch anymore are Keith O, the History Channel and PBS documentaries.
by Fonsia on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 01:06:39 PM PDT
There's no nefarious conspiracy to pump up Clinton, here. There's no confusion about the math. It's all about money. If people aren't glued to their televisions, ad revenue goes down. It's in the media's economic interest to prolong the campaign.
"The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau
by fishhead on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 12:44:17 PM PDT
wide narrow
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