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I promised my family they won't see me dragged from my home by men in black, dangling off ropes from helicopters. www.thejoshuablog.com
by Junglered1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:27:56 PM PDT
Now we can get back to the actual campaign, and that is where we thrive.
John McCain: 100 Years in Iraq would be "fine with me"
by smash artist on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:32:19 PM PDT
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full effect, but we'll know by looking at the trends by Monday.
by Junglered1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:33:32 PM PDT
FYI, tune in, email, call in with questions...
Ask about Mountaintop removal coal mining ;)
VICTORY IS OURS! OBAMA/WEBB '08
by kubla000 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:42:58 PM PDT
I'm pooped from all this drama. LOL
by Junglered1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:44:00 PM PDT
it reruns at midnight. As those who want to watch basketball at 9pm or Lost on ABC, they can then watch it at 12am. I know I am going to do that.
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:03 PM PDT
Wolf Blitzer. Not that I plan on watching anyway. I will not watch any of these toxic channels. I will wait to review it on the Obama website.
My hubby told me that Blitzer has been subbing for King all week.
by africa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:37:15 PM PDT
are tired of hearing me repeat this on here today but I think March Madness was also a gift. It started today. And then tomorrow is Good Friday, then Easter. People will be focused on other things besides this election for at least a few days.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:52:10 PM PDT
I agree - this is a good time for this to occur. Spring break! Vacations! Easter! NCAA b-ball!
Lots more entertainment than the endless droning of pundits and redundant video. Now if we can just find a scintillating alternative for the MSM!
by JulieUnplugged on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:39:13 PM PDT
The second they go back to the "real" election, it will become more and more apparent that it's pretty much over. That's WHY this has become the issue it has. It would have always been a setback, and yes a big setback. But the level it's at is asinine.
They want, no, they NEED their horserace. And this keeps it going.
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do." ~Voltaire
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:05:13 PM PDT
The biggest problem with Obama's association with Wright, as I see it, is that it gives any white person looking for a guilt-free excuse to vote against Obama that very excuse.
by ford prefect 2 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:33:06 PM PDT
they wouldn't. Nobody was waiting for an excuse.
In 2000, a criminal became President. In 2004, we failed to remove him.American Democracy, 1787-2004, RIP
by davewill on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:34:48 PM PDT
if they were having issues with his skin color, his name, they were probably going to go into that voting booth and vote for Hillary anyway. Or maybe they would not vote in a primary, etc.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:54:48 PM PDT
for whatever reasons.
now there is a big excuse.
by condorcet on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:22:14 PM PDT
I believe that many, many people will switch to Obama once they see and hear him for themselves, not get spinned by the MSM. It's amazing how much they've tried to spin him & yet he maintains good polls. Just think how many would be on his side if the MSM were fair. Well, you can control only what you can control, so...
I say get a lot of ads out there with Obama talking to them like in that Wisconsin ad with him talking about healthcare and his mom - with that adorable photo of him, the cutest baby, with his mom, and you'll see!
That ad was why they went nuclear negative. To get Obama off that ad and onto their negativity trip. They know full well that any woman seeing that ad will go all maternal & not be able to vote for anyone else.
Fear ain't the only thing churned up in the ol' brain stem.
There's unconditional love, too. Use it & a doubter's vote: you won't lose it.
"Information is the currency of democracy." ~ T.J.
by CIndyCasella on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:18:33 PM PDT
at least to verbalize that to a pollster. You know how people are - they're not going to tell a pollster they wouldn't vote for a black man. But if he has a friend/relative who's a little angry, a little scary, a little out there at times, well, they can't vote for somebody who has a friend like THAT, can they?
So it gives them an out. A STUPID out, and they likely wouldn't have voted for him in the general anyway, but they'll take it.
FWIW, if my co-worker is any indication, most non-political voters don't believe anything the media tells them anyhow.
by mmacdDE on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:44:54 PM PDT
by CIndyCasella on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:58:55 PM PDT
just because his preacher sometimes got angry and said some extreme-sounding things should still feel terrible.
But the racists who won't vote for Obama because he's black will use any excuse, no matter how tenuous. It could be that Obama had short hair, and next thing you'd know they'd be talking about how his hair was too short, and how that was a sign that he hated America.
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by liberate on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:38:11 PM PDT
that way of thinking once upon a time. Now at least, the bigots can be a little more honest with themselves.
The weak in courage is strong in cunning-William Blake
by beltane on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:45:02 PM PDT
if the media's constant repetition of that damned video has innoculated Obama. It may have begun to seem as silly to the swing voters as it has to many of us.
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.
by Granny Doc on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:47:04 PM PDT
or 9/11 with the towers collapsing, and have learned to take the media's repetitions with a shaker of salt and some thick skin.
by liberate on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:49:59 PM PDT
the whole nonsense about throwing his grandmother under the bus. Of course Obama answered very calmly and rationally. I really think people are beginning to get the sense that the media are simply harassing him now. Remember, the only thing held in lower esteem than politicians are the media. Their constant badgering of Clinton in '98 is probably what saved him from having to resign. It's the "enough of it already" factor setting in.
by beltane on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:51:21 PM PDT
would never throw his grandmother under the bus. If anything, he was much closer to his mother and his grandparents than any of his father's family. He barely knew his dad.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:58:02 PM PDT
It's been a few months since I read Dreams From My Father, but I think everything he said about his grandmother in the speech he had already discussed in more detail in the book--as part of his long struggle to find his identity as a black man growing up in a mixed family. I can't see any way in which he "threw her under" anything for the political moment if this has been in print for years. (Don't have the book handy--maybe someone else does.)
"If God controls the land and disease / and keeps a watchful eye on me / my problem is that I can't see / who would wanna be such a control freak..."
by teresa1958 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:00:25 PM PDT
I wish Obama's grandmother was not so ill so that she could come out and tell them to shut up and stop using her as cover to try to derail her grandson.
Can any of these talking heads tell me that they have more love for Obama's grandmother than he does? That they give a damn about what she feels?
That is the question I would pose I was sitting on a panel with any of these deceitful people.
As I stated here before, I truly believe that Obama told his grandmother he was going to use this example in his speech.
I don't believe for a second if she had said no, he would have.
These jokers don't want to discuss race in the open. They thrive on the divisiveness.
And I tell you something -- karma is a wicked, wicked thing. Lots of these deceitful jibber jabbers will have to look themselves in the mirror one day.
I recall Lee Atwater, who ran a brutal campaign agains Dukakis. Shortly after that he was diagnosed with cancer. If memory serves me right, he apologized to lots of people for some things he had done, sadly before he passed on.
Many of these people will have to search into their own hearts for the reasons to justify why they seem to be so threatened by Obama.
by africa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:25:41 PM PDT
the media going after Hillary. There will be some pissed off people who will vote for him because they are angry at the media for picking on this guy.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:57:05 PM PDT
Add fear to both sides of the equation, and what do you get?
Answer: unbiased, healthy person + fear = bigot.
Clintonistas/MSM/Repugs know this equation well, which is why they add lots and lots of fear.
Thus, we need to subtract fear and replace it with reason.
Result: More votes for Obama. QED
by CIndyCasella on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:31:54 PM PDT
with the race part of all of it but the anti American sentiments bother them. But as Tweety said, ( god I hate agreeing with him or giving him credit ) but...
If anything thinks Obama does not love this country, that is foolish.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:56:00 PM PDT
The white people who say they would vote against Obama because of the 'horrible' language Rev. Wright used probably listen to the Elephant echo chamber daily where much worse language is used regularly.
by BarbcusaB on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:30:59 PM PDT
I thought it kind of strange that he committed for Hillary yesterday, when Obama has been much closer to his Iraq position. Wonder how much traction Hillary's team is having using Wright to persuade other SDs...
"Pardon me, I thought you were a trout stream"
by frankzappatista on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:38:34 PM PDT
to keep himself so.
by Junglered1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:40:17 PM PDT
meaning, he had already committed to supporting Hillary. They were just waiting for the right time to roll him out.
By bringing him out on Tuesday, they expected to blunt Obama's speech. Remember, they did not expect Obama to get the positive reviews that he got from his speech.
With bad reviews and Murtha's endorsement, that was supposed to cast further doubt on Obama's electability.
This is not a new endorsement, I seriously don't believe.
by africa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:58:10 PM PDT
despite the Iraq stance.
by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:01 PM PDT
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:00:06 PM PDT
by condorcet on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:20:09 PM PDT
of corrupt politicians?
Don't believe everything you think.
by EJP in Maine on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:55:23 PM PDT
Big into earmarks, too, as I recall.
by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:24 PM PDT
by Junglered1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:56:11 PM PDT
Hillary's earmarks list?
Remember- when the Republicans start accusing others of doing something they consider awful, it is because they are doing it and trying to cover it.
by maybeeso in michigan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:12:54 PM PDT
Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress This is from 2006, didn't want one that looked like sour grapes article
CREW’s report notes that Murtha’s "ethics violations stem from abuse of his position as Ranking Member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee to benefit the lobbying firm of a former long-term staffer and clients of his brother, Robert ‘Kit’ Murtha, a registered lobbyist."
But he did speak out against the war first among pro-war guys so that is to his credit.
I didn't know much about him before he spoke out and I grew fond because of that so went to read a little and the corruption part surprised me.
by joynow on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:53:49 PM PDT
his district and it is more Hillary country but then again, they are not wild about Hillary but that area was not Obama country either.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:59:38 PM PDT
They either will or won't. They don't need an "excuse."
The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.
by DHinMI on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:38:57 PM PDT
while...
A United States Marine, still fighting for our Constitution and our country! I Support and Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
by DemMarineVet on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:44:29 PM PDT
Obama has done quite well in States that had caucuses. I wonder how he would do there if they had a secret ballot. I am not trolling with this comment as I know he did quite well in many primary states as well.
by ford prefect 2 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:51:15 PM PDT
there is a secret ballot. If White people are going to polls and they don't like obama because he is black they don't need an excuse because it is secret.
by DemMarineVet on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:51 PM PDT
and voted for Obama overwhelmingly. Yes, he would have done even better in a caucus, but not because of the secrecy factor. His supporters here are simply, more politically active and organized. He had a ready-made base of support among anti-war activists.
by beltane on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:55:36 PM PDT
In Georgia. We are talking Georgia! I know it is not the General and I doubt Georgia is going blue anytime in the next decade, if that, but still.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:03:41 PM PDT
Gets galvanized AA support with the highest turnout in history, and plenty of white folks in Atlanta especially are recent transplants.
And there are, and always were, white liberals in Georgia.
Close, but possible.
May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care.
by Fonsia on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:51:00 PM PDT
and the crowds going crazy about Obama at the caucus were mostly white--that does not look to me like folks succumbing to pressure--these folks were fired up!
by EJP in Maine on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:58:29 PM PDT
caucusers if it was secret ballot, but a caucus takes more dedication. The less passion the less likely you are to turn out.
Voting by ballot doesn't take much so the less inspired will turn out too. Hillary is the choice of the uninspired. (Really...in exit polls she won the uninspired)
So who knows who would win the state but I don't think he got the vote because it was in the open....he got it because his supporters care enough to take that extra time. It's not a white guilt thing.
by joynow on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:59:41 PM PDT
Help us spread the Truth about Barack Obama
by Unseen majority on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:07:01 PM PDT
secret ballot thing...
The turn-out in our caucus was so overwhelming and chaotic--nobody has a clue who in particular voted for whom (except the counters and all they cared about frankly was getting an accurate count).
To all intents and purposes...we had a secret ballot--believe me. No standing up on a milk crate to be the target of rotten eggs, tomatoes and slurs. Sounds very dramatic about the sanctity of secret balloting and all, but at our caucus with maybe 4,000 people + ?, it just isn't relevant as a legitimate concern.
Rome is burning ... put down the fiddle.
by ancblu on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:06:11 PM PDT
... to tell themselves.
"All progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw
by Bearpaw on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:00:58 PM PDT
and I am not sure how high that percentage is.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:04:26 PM PDT
I have always thought of these so called undecided voters are really not all that undecided. I think some undecideds like the attention they get. Remember the last election, only the undecideds were asked to join these focus groups on TV and talk to the media. They get a lot of attention.
Plus I think most have decided who they are voting for but often do not wish to disclose that publicly. So they will tell family and friends, the media, coworkers,
I am undecided
But in reality, they have decided.
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:02:28 PM PDT
but they might change that decision tomorrow. Lots of people are like that. They lean one way or the other, but one push could throw them to the other side.
They're weathervanes. Some of them might be slightly rusty weathervanes, and need a stronger wind to shift them, but they're still weathervanes.
by mmacdDE on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:49:30 PM PDT
another would come along if this one hadn't.
by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:51:48 PM PDT
Obama was assiciating with a black preacher? Well then he just gonna have to do without MY vote then.
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -John Stuart Mill
by word player on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:04:54 PM PDT
it that he also fathered a black child.
Wait until Dobbs hears this.
by KibbutzAmiad on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:46:06 PM PDT
by EJP in Maine on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:59:00 PM PDT
by maybeeso in michigan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:05:42 PM PDT
Fight The Smears
by True Blue Texan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:15:36 PM PDT
Most of republican outreach to AA's is not to get their vote, but to give just that cover to white folk.
by Nailbanger on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:21:08 PM PDT
Photo of Barack in "muslim" garb.
Barack's middle name.
Oh and did I mention that his skin is of a dusky hue?
This new excuse is just the most recent excuse, they would have figured out one no matter what.
by Fahrenheit451 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:35:14 PM PDT
You see, the people who were going to do THAT would have rationalized it some other way, if Wright had not happened.
by thedarkman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:54:15 PM PDT
by CIndyCasella on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:56:28 PM PDT
why bother with real news when they can run two clips from two sermons out of over a thousand.
Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.
by MadAsHellMaddie on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:36:06 PM PDT
by liberate on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:39:35 PM PDT
in while or in various clips, and either will still vote for Obama despite the fact they believe he should have addressed Wright a long time ago (how I'm not sure) or don't care about Wright at all.
What they care about it how he's handled it since the uproar began last week.
by Junglered1 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM PDT
They are the ones who are milking the story. "How will it play?" "Will it hurt with white voters?" "Will the republicans use it in the general?" Jeezy Joe, they'd be crazy not to after listening to how much play you incompetent fools give it.
Wake me up in 09 when the scary part is over!
by KellyB on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:51:17 PM PDT
----like Joe Scarborough, are still working overtime to slander Obama. I will have renewed faith in the American people if it becomes apparent that they are no longer willing to be bamboozled by these partisan smear merchants. And I continue to believe that the reason so many thousands have shown up to support Obama, wherever he goes, is because people are sick of this kind of gutter politics. They want it to stop.
by dotster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:42:58 PM PDT
Actually, Joe is on Gregory's new show right now and rendering it unwatchable as well. That's why I'm chatting with you peeps.
"What Washington needs is adult supervision." Barack Obama
by speck tater on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:46:53 PM PDT
as he is on 3 hours in the morning and throughout the day, he is on nearly every hour. Does the man ever go home? Go home to Florida Joe! He has children for crying out loud!
by wishingwell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:06:24 PM PDT
for the sole purpose of pushing racial division as it relates to Obama. It is just so irresponsible, to say nothing of the damage it causes, for a network to allow this. These networks just thrive on overhyping divisive issues. They are a big part of what's wrong with America.
by dotster on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:16:56 PM PDT
Mayhap they've finally had enough of Pat, on this issue at least?
So they're replacing him with Joe? Less obviously objectionable, but with the same viewpoint.
Haven't been watching.
by Fonsia on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:55:12 PM PDT
Perhaps it is time for an organized campaign from our website? Kind of like when Hillary got David Shuster suspended or Chris Matthews to apologize.
by mnguy66 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:12:17 PM PDT
long before the Wright issue. It was right at the time he started to pass along this talking point to that Obama's sole claim to fame was his one speech.
It wasn't long, the Clinton campaign seized upon it.
He was the originator for that talking point. At the time he was saying that Hillary couldn't say such a thing because she did not want McCain to use it against Obama if he turned out to be the nominee.
His argument was that McCain was going to turn on Obama and and use his Vietnam record, plus long hears of Senate experience to dress down Obama, by telling him, he only had the one speech to talk about.
For a whole week he had been spewing that stuff. That's when I stopped watching him. Have not since. And this was a person who watched him religiously. To date, I have not seen the David Gregory show, and don't plan on watching it.
Not anymore. The only program I watch these days if at all is KO. I refuse to absorb their toxic blabber every night.
by africa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:33:44 PM PDT
I've actually been watching Fox(and CNN) for the past few months- or more like spying to see what they're up to. I just can't take it anymore. My head feels like it will explode. I was so proud of myself that I didn't get my feathers ruffled, I would watch and just laugh and laugh. No more! I'm ready to kill Hannity!What a waste of human life that fucker is. Sorry I had to let that out. My rant is finished.:~)
Proud to be everything the Right Wing hates!
by Wild Starchild on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:10:35 AM PDT
in this thread, probably more than is healthy.
No one knows how bad this will be for Obama. It's been bad so far--that much the numbers make clear. Has it tarnished his brand for good, hurt his ability to win the white working class and independents? Possibly and possibly. We'll see. What we know is that Obama has given the GOP a potential huge weapon in the general election, a weapon that fits beautifully into the arsenal they were already assembling. I see no reason to pretend otherwise, except morale control.
by david mizner on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 04:40:43 PM PDT
Never thought I'd see anything coming out of Fox News that I agree with. Guess it's time to eat my hat.
by hungrycoyote on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:55:55 PM PDT
wide narrow
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