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...how critical it is that our side wins this next election and dominates the judicial selection processs for a long time to come.
"Oh, TV. Is there anything you can't do?" -- Homer Simpson
by Melody Townsel on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:11:52 PM PDT
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Glad to know some people here get it, even if they'll get drowned by the "purer-than-thou" types.
"It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)
by chingchongchinaman on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:16:24 PM PDT
I can't get over your username, I love it when you post, single arts junkie drowning in paper.
by kate mckinnon on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:23:56 PM PDT
(1) To KM: thanks for the kind words :) . See ya over at Sat. Nt. Loser's Club one evening?
(2) For everyone, another article on why it's important to vote Dem NO MATTER WHAT: Anthony Lewis from the New York Review of Books here.
by chingchongchinaman on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:35:51 PM PDT
My relatively small gripes with HRC seem downright inconsequential when I see this idiot quoted in print. Or, lest we forget, giving the finger to a reporter in Massachusetts.
John McCain: Like Hope, But Different.
by malharden on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:04:36 PM PDT
It seems to be a republican requirement. I watched a House hearing right after the Dems took the majority. It was on torture and, to a republican, they trashed Europe, basically calling them weenies. One of them (damn, I wish I remembered) even said "I hope it's one of your family members that gets killed" to someone on the panel. I was appalled. Later, it was reported that he was addressing Code Pink members in the gallery, but I don't see how that makes it any better.
Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies
by madgranny on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:43:52 PM PDT
is one of my family members that get killed, or all of them, or me...
By any gods that may exist, I don't want anyone tortured in my name or their names, because I know the difference. I'm not the terrorist. Anyone who would torture another human being just doesn't get it. They're no different from the terrorist, willing to inflict intentional pain and suffering in the name of their goals.
For as many of the Republican party that supposedly are holy rollers and want to save all of our souls, there sure is a lot of talk of the need to do something as soul-destroying as torture in order to save our bodies. If they really believed in Heaven, who cares about the body. Keep your soul intact, and spend eternity with your god.
Got a problem with my posts? Quit reading them. They're usually opinions, and I don't come here to get in arguments.
by drbloodaxe on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:52:30 AM PDT
When you look at bush*, cheney, scalia, mukasey, and all the others perpetuating these crimes against the Constitution and humanity, the only thing I see that they have in common is their membership in the Republic party.
This is party led by thugs. It is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party. It is a party that attains and clings to power by marketing. They use marketing to sell their public agenda so they can gain power to apply their secret agenda that boils down to rape and pillage and take what the can.
Scalia needs to be thrown off the SCOTUS. Impeached, forced retirement, whatever, he does not protect the Constitution. He has revealed that he is just a 2-bit enforcer for the republic crime family.
I am here to represent the democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
by Josiah Bartlett on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:16:05 AM PDT
This supreme court troglydite has overlooked the fact that torture is notoriously ineffective and doesnt yield reliable information. Given that fact, promotion of torture can only be viewed as sadisim. So I agree with the OP, FUCK YOU SCALIA!
No being has inherent power, only the illusion of power granted by others who similarly have none.
by Mark701 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:20:52 AM PDT
frickin' Activist Judges !!!!!
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking 'til you suck seed."--Curly Howard
by JackAshe on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:30:31 AM PDT
If you're Italian/Sicilian, that gesture is "fightin' words," according to my Italian s-i-l.
He said that, as wild as Italian politics can get (the Parliament recently broke out in a physical brawl, replete with one member having a heart attack during the melee), a public official would never, ever, ever make that gesture.
If he had spoken "Scalian" (as he called it) in Italy, well, let's just say that he wouldn't do it in Italy because he likely knows what would happen. He got away with a huge insult because Americans didn't know how demeaning it was.
July 9, 2008 -- I watched helplessly while Congress destroyed my Constitution. R.I.P.
by bleeding heart on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:46:50 AM PDT
grew up in an Irish/Italian neighborhood in New York so I learned what that was and why you didn't do that. That is a well known gesture and the it functions like a middle finger, your mama, and a call out, all rolled into one. It should be beneath a Supreme Court Justice, but there is nothing too low for the right wingers.
by pgm 01 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 12:04:29 PM PDT
"He couldn't get away with that shit if he was talking about black people."
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. -8.25, -6.21
by Jacques on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:34:49 AM PDT
Obama would "compromise" on, something he would "reach across the aisle" to "unite" us on.
"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken
by SueDe on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:25:33 PM PDT
Bite me.
"When the President does it, it's not illegal" - Richard Nixon, 1974; US Congress, 2008
by nightsweat on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:26:12 PM PDT
and no need for you to get shitty about it.
"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:31:40 PM PDT
It's a prime piece of grade A bullshit and you deserve to get called on it.
by nightsweat on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:34:17 PM PDT
you saying bite me doesn't make it not a legitimate question, we've had a history of Dem presidents reaching out on on this issue and Obama has make lots of noise about reaching across-so yes its a legitimate question.
by NearlyNormal on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:36:04 PM PDT
Golly, would Hillary nominate someone who told her they'd behave even though all evidence showed they wouldn't? I mean, that's what she did with the AUMF, right?
See? It's a horseshit question. If you get a Dem president you will get a good nominee from either of our candidates. Period.
Implying otherwise is politicking in the most sleazy manner.
by nightsweat on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:38:47 PM PDT
and a yes answer does not have to be disaster. Bill Clinton appointed Ruth Bader Ginsberg, at the suggestion of a Republican Senator (Orrin Hatch I think), and she has been pretty stalwart on the bench.
Obama can reach across the aisle on an issue like this and get a good result. He is nobody's fool.
by oklacoma dem on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:31:23 PM PDT
stronger than Ginsburg at this stage-we need to NOT reach across the aisle on this, that is triangulation on the worst degree-We need a good young set of LIBERAL judges, not those vetted by the goopers.
by NearlyNormal on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:22:29 PM PDT
I am glad you feel that way...but that wwill depend on the composition of the congress.
If the choice is between a Ginsberg and a Scalia.
the answer is DUH
All behold the tamed Maverick, at his master's feet.
by coigue on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:00:25 AM PDT
too. What is the point? It is not at all sleazy to question whether a candidate who has made much of reaching across the aisle would do so. Otherwise, what does reaching across the aisle mean. Your first and 2nd paragraphs don't match up too well, they seem a little....
by NearlyNormal on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:20:17 PM PDT
Hillary brags about all the bi-partisan bills she's presented in the Senate. If you are going to be paranoid about this, then you might as well include her too.
-7.50, -7.74 Republicans = Borrow and Squander
by GMFORD on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:32:11 PM PDT
And so was the question about Obama. In fact, the same question could be asked about whether Clinton herself would nominate decent judges, or whether, like Bill, withdraw their nominations as soon as somebody threatened to question it.
noli, amabo, verberare lapidem ne perdas manum -- Plautus
by fritzrth on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:19:37 AM PDT
candidates asked whom they might select for SCOTUS; they don't have to name names, although I would like that, but give us examples of prior and current jurists whom they admire. I do agree that Obama should not 'reach across the aisle' as the Court is already stacked with Conservative non-thinkers and we need, if the opportunity presents, to add liberal individuals to the bench.
In youth we learn, in age we understand.
by Jbeaudill on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:27:28 AM PDT
it wasn't asked in a mocking manner. The quotation marks make the question sound rather derisive. Remove the quotes and the snark behind them and you have a legitimate question.
I can haz sound economic policy?
by Isara on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:29:19 AM PDT
obviously.
It may be a legit question, but if you don't know the answer you are missing a digit on your IQ
by coigue on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:58:58 AM PDT
I didn't make the original post.
by NearlyNormal on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:36:45 PM PDT
you just call the question "bullshit" without addressing the FACT that Obama premises his WHOLE CAMPAIGN on "coming together" and "reaching across the aisle".
The question IS legit: how would a President Obama react to those who DON'T WANT to compromise, who DON'T WANT to "come together", who have POWER & INFLUENCE that they have NO INTENTION of GIVING UP or SHARING???
Well?
Are you just going to swear at me and run the other way, or will you actually take a stab at addressing the issue/question???
BenGoshi ___________________________________________________
"We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown
by BenGoshi on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:59:16 AM PDT
over on the FP thread. Long discussion about how shrill and irritating Hillary's voice is. I got nauseated and had to leave.
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious...that you've got to put your bodies on the gears...and make it stop. -- Mario Savio
by Boston Boomer on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:35:10 PM PDT
irritating isn't the same as hate. The hyperbole cup runneth over on this site.
by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:02:25 PM PDT
I would characterize as hate. That is my opinion.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 04:45:08 AM PDT
were a newbie coming onto dKos, I can see where you'd think most folks here are indeed a bunch of hatemongers too, as the rightard talk radio guys keep screaming.
Hyberbole is everywhere, on any political website. I might want to see pretty much the entire Bush admin tried for all sorts of crimes, but I don't actually hate them. I pity them for being incomplete human beings whose stunted emotional growth causes them to behave rabidly. You don't hate the rabid dog, but you do take it to the vet to be put down.
by drbloodaxe on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:57:53 AM PDT
and IMHO, the level of debate on this site has deteriorated greatly over the past year. I am not alone in that opinion. Many long-time Kossacks have given up and either left or gone into lurk mode. That makes me sad. I was really inspired by Meteror Blades' recent diary on civility and his subsequent efforts in comments.
Link
Since I'm not a partisan for either of the remaining candidates, and since love Daily Kos, I am trying to follow MB's example and suggestions and will continue to do so.
Peace
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:21:38 AM PDT
...pigs like Scalia are hijacking our democratic republic, stripping us of our civil liberties, bankrupting our country with unending wars, filling our cities and towns with injured and ill soldiers being denied the medical care they EARNED in the call to duty.
So you've seen a little bit of the frustration that has built up over the past seven years from Americans who had the right to rely upon our congress to check this evil administration but abdicated.
Maybe you live in a different America than the one I live in. Maybe there aren't any people suffering where you are -- or if so, do you care?
If you aren't angry, you're not paying attention. I read that on a bumpersticker or Kossack signature.
Republicans have been playing that faux civility card from Day One of the Bushcon administration. I'm not playing nice with these goons. They're NOT nice people.
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. Alfred Adler
by Quicksilver2723 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:48:41 AM PDT
was not indulging in faux civility. He knows how to fight for what he believes in. He went to jail for his political opinions which is more than most of us on this site can claim. All he was just asking was for us to deal civilly with each other, not Scalia. I'm with Boston Boomer 100% on this.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:05:50 AM PDT
I guess I don't see why it would be "faux civility" to refrain from using derogatory names for our candidates and their supporters.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:11:40 AM PDT
It would be civility of the real kind.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:14:29 AM PDT
Yes, I care. I am a Democratic partisan and a patriotic American, and yes, I am angry at what has been done to our country by the Bush administration. If you've read any of my comments over the past 4+ years, you would have noticed that. However I will vote for either of the remaining Democratic candidates.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:09:53 AM PDT
As far as I'm concerned, pretty much any amount of profanity, outrage, etc. is appropriate to used in attacking Bush and his minions.
I simply don't think it helps our party for Democrats to attack Democrats, especially using derogatory names and lies drawn from Republican oppo research.
Best wishes.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:23:46 AM PDT
I think both I and the other commenter were saying.
Civility is about US, not THEM. We're civil because we are more enlightened people than they are.
But you can be civil while putting someone on trial, you can be civil even while executing them.
Civility does not imply a lack of anger or empathy or understanding. It's not about 'playing nice'. It's about being courteous and polite, even as you throw that switch on the carcass of the corrupt regime that has tried to destroy the country.
by drbloodaxe on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:03:43 AM PDT
...were obedient unto death under the Nazi regime.
The Jews were law-abiding citizens, perhaps more than most. They didn't believe their country to be capable of genocide. They relied upon the rules of law and upon legitimate processes.
They were not uncivil. They did not earn the treatment they received. Germany was a socialist democracy, so they were in no way inferior to we Americans.
The very sad fact is that people inside and outside of Germany continued to try to appease Hitler and the Nazis long after it was pretty clear that they were monsters.
Now I've watched year after year as Democrats/progressives have prostrated themselves before this bushcon administration in pursuit of legitimate political processes. I have watched as this evil regime has exploited those desiring to make nice and have legitimate political discourse with them to SUBVERT and DESTROY our Constitutional processes.
bushcons are establishing precedents that can and will become the infrastructure upon which future statutes become law. It's happening right now.
We owe the victims of this regime, those who are suffering and dying NOW, a bit more than cosmetic efforts and moral smugness.
I don't intend to be eloquent, morally superior, or sophisticated in my response to these atrocities being committed in my name.
by Quicksilver2723 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:52:03 AM PDT
Civility has nothing to do with 'obedience', 'appeasement', 'eloquence', 'sophistication', etc, etc.
As I obviously can't make my meaning clear, this will be my last reply.
by drbloodaxe on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:49:37 AM PDT
to communicate. It's seems that Quicksilver is so enraged at the Bush administration that he can't see why it would be useful to have some party unity in order to get a Democrat elected.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 01:37:23 PM PDT
the Obama supporters and Clinton supporters, and you bring up Nazi Germany? Which group of supporters are you comparing to Nazis? Or perhaps you're just ranting? That's fine, but don't click reply on my comment about civility among Democrats then.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 01:35:44 PM PDT
... I support with my posts and my actions.
I'm pretty clear that I confine my remarks to addressing issues I consider vital to the preservation of my country and its ideals.
I do not believe my gender or which Democratic candidate I support in the primaries to be relevant.
For my part, I think the extreme emotional heat to be coming from your sector of the Dkos-verse, not mine.
I wish you and all our democrats well throughout the election cycles because as I've said before on another thread about our two great candidates: Heads/we win, tails/we win. I'm pretty excited about that.
And so is my son, now overseas in the Army and facing redeployment this year. He is the one who called me several months back expressing hope for the prospects of an Obama or Clinton ticket.
So this diary and the comments weren't ever about the candidates at all. It was about what Scalia has been doing to undermine all the values my soldier son believes he is serving to protect. His concern is that there will be nothing left of our own democracy when he comes home.
His concerns are more than justified.
by Quicksilver2723 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:02:36 PM PDT
eloquent, morally superior, or sophisticated: you don't.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 01:39:03 PM PDT
that the overall tone and quality of the discussion has deteriorated on dKos, and the worst in people is sometimes encouraged even by the front page. There have always been acrimonious periods and a frat boy tone, but I find the current situation the hardest to deal with and the longest to endure.
From your UID it's apparent we've been registered users for about the same time. You must remember the bitter fights involving Armando and Mary Scott O'Connor. And I too notice that names I used to see fairly often are no longer popping up here, and I also see many of them on other, smaller, more civil blogs. I hang around for some of the especially good contributors and try to skip a lot of the rest.
So, I hope I didn't confirm your worst feelings about what's going on at dKos with my comment above, but to me it contributed to the escalation of language. The comments about Hillary's presentation were petty and childish, but I save the word hate for worse than that.
Peace.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:00:03 AM PDT
I misunderstood you. I thought you agreed with me. Yes, I get a little uncomfortable when people ridicule our candidates. The ones I was referring to above struck me as sexist. I realize that is only my opinion, and you'll notice if you check that I didn't join in that particular discussion and I didn't attack anyone there by name. I simply posted a comment giving my opinion in a pro-Clinton diary.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:15:34 AM PDT
except that I still think hate is too strong a word. But that is a minor, minor point.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:38:00 AM PDT
And in the future, I will use less inflammatory language. I've clearly been affected by the dKos atmospher and I don't deny it. But I'm determined to do the best I can to be civil as we go forward. I have no problem with knock down drag out fights over issues. It's the personal attacks I find so pointless. My motto: progress not perfection.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:03:54 AM PDT
Thanks. I got a little thrown by that comment accusing me of supporting Bush and Scalia. I see that commenter hasn't been here as long as we have and probably doesn't remember the past fights. Truthfully, since Edwards dropped out I have been switching back and forth between rooting for both of the remaining candidates. Although I'm not sold on either of them, I also don't dislike either of them. I just want one of them to get elected in the fall.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:26:48 AM PDT
of Dodd, then moved to Edwards and finally decided to throw our support to Obama. Anyone last night watchng McCain and Huckabee talk, had to feel strongly that either Obama or Clinton would be a vastly better choice than anything the Republicans have to offer. And for anyone to suggest that either Obama or Clinton wouldn't strive for good SCOTUS appointments, as some have here, is utter nonsense.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:42:39 AM PDT
I liked Dodd too and eventually chose Edwards.
When it came time for me to vote in the primary Edwards was out. I went back and forth for days trying to decide who to vote for. I'm not thrilled with either candidate, but I think Obama is going to win and that's fine with me. The general election campaign is going to be very exciting. But if Hillary wins, I'll also be able to support her.
Truthfully, my feelings toward each candidate are all over the map. One day I dislike one of them, the next day, I'm rooting for the one I disliked the day before. I've never ever had this problem before and I've been voting since 1972. That makes me think it's good problem. We have two very good canadidates.
by Boston Boomer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:56:00 AM PDT
wasn't using you in the singular sense, but in the general. I should have used 'one'.
Yes, I've read that diary already, and I generally strive to be a similar voice. My uid might be high, but I've actually been here off and on for several years at least. I missed the bitterness 4 yrs ago, but I agree that the fighting of late has been rancorous beyond anything I'd seen before, as peoples' passions run high and their tempers shorten.
The annoying thing about replying to a comment from the comment page, rather than the diary, is that you don't see the original comment you commented under (unless I've got myself configured wrong and you're supposed to be able to.) But I think, I think I was trying to say that the reality is that most people posting here aren't as hateful or violently angry as posts might imply. People are posting quickly, while their adrenaline is up, missing nuances and assuming that everything unclear is a dig or slight and responding with more anger to everything. Given that I think this particular comment was under the Scalia thread, I agree that people have every right to be angry that the country we love has so many people in power who seem to have fallen to 'the Dark Side'. But hatred itself is from the Dark Side. We need to funnel our anger in ways that it pushes society back to the light. (And now I have an urge to speak my sentences backwards.)
There are so many familiar names that pop in and out that I personally have a hard time noticing when a specific one drops out for a while, as my memory isn't the best. Hopefully the folks who have dropped out will return after the nominee is chosen.
by drbloodaxe on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:19:06 AM PDT
by coigue on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:01:33 AM PDT
How can a person modulate their voice and shout at the same time? Her voice has nothing to do with why I don't support Hillary for POTUS.
If we want peace, why do we give weapons and call it "aid"?
by gdwtch52 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 09:08:11 AM PDT
would ever give you that idea? Legitimate based on what?
We can trust both Clinton and Obama to make good appointments to the SCOTUS, if they get the opportunity.
by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:00:42 PM PDT
"Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?
by litigatormom on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:26:40 PM PDT
I don't think either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama would go that route. Really.
You can tell you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he or she hates all the same people you do. - Anne Lamott
by javelina on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:20:49 PM PDT
Despite my strong support for one of them, I have no qualms about either when it comes to the SCOTUS.
by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:06:11 PM PDT
...that, I suspect that if Obama became POTUS, and a first SCOTUS nominee opportunity appeared, which it definitely will, he might go for a Breyer or Ginsburg type, a moderate to liberal "safe" candidate who'll sail through relatively easily. The problem is that the right-wing noise/hate machine is so thoroughly entrenched that any Dem SCOTUS nominee, if he/she were more "ideological", would get a lot of well funded flak fast, unlike our side, where we just don't carry that much pull in getting our voice heard. (Refer to Slate article here.)
A much more informed take, compared to my blatherings, on what a President Obama might do is from Emily Bazelon at Slate here.
by chingchongchinaman on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:32:28 PM PDT
holding together against the R's. so I'm sure they would fight hard for a true liberal SC nomination.
uh huh yeah right.
Of course, an Obama SC nominee would be universes ahead of a McCain nominee. But anyone who thinks he would appoint a radical opposite to Scalia .. or that the Dems would fight for such an appointment... is just dreaming.
by pitbullEmily on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:46:12 PM PDT
Unfortunately, 40 years of the right wing making "liberal" a dirty word, the new "Communist", can't be erased overnight. In some parts of the country, that will never happen. Plus, Obama (or HRC) doesn't have to appoint a radical opposite to Scalia. Simply an appointee with intellectual integrity would do the trick, given how intellectually bankrupt Scalia is. The liberal stance would be a bonus.
by chingchongchinaman on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:49:55 PM PDT
intellectual integrity would get us another Justice Souter, who is a very fine man We need another Justice Douglas style hotheaded radical
by pitbullEmily on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:56:20 PM PDT
I'm with you, we need a new Thurgood Marshall, William Brennan or Earl Warren (the last two of these Republican appointees, oddly enough, but it was Eisenhower). But please note this passage from that one Slate article about McCain and whom he might consider for the courts (emphasis mine):
"The practical upshot is that when McCain constructs his legal team, he will have just one institutional framework from which to pick—the same movement conservatives that produced Roberts and Alito. The only thing that really matters now is that McCain has already agreed to fall in line. That degree of intellectual and institutional control should be comforting to Novak and Long, even as it should scare the pants off Democrats. In the Calabresi op-ed, co-authored with John McGinnis, this same point took the form of a warning: As a result of the 'success of constitutionalist jurisprudence, a McCain administration would be enveloped by conservative thinking in this area.' The authors remind anyone who needs reminding that 'the strand of jurisprudential thought that produced Sen. Warren Rudman and Justice David Souter is no longer vibrant in the Republican Party.' Calabresi and McGinnis also made a point of calling up the ghost of Harriet Miers. The brief furor over McCain's perceived heresy, and the swift corrective by the true powers that be, signals that on Republican judicial appointments there is no longer any space—politically, institutionally, or theoretically—for moderation or independence. What we saw from the elite conservative thinkers this week is a broad promise to John McCain: 'We erased Ms. Miers. We can erase you, too.'"
"The practical upshot is that when McCain constructs his legal team, he will have just one institutional framework from which to pick—the same movement conservatives that produced Roberts and Alito. The only thing that really matters now is that McCain has already agreed to fall in line. That degree of intellectual and institutional control should be comforting to Novak and Long, even as it should scare the pants off Democrats.
In the Calabresi op-ed, co-authored with John McGinnis, this same point took the form of a warning: As a result of the 'success of constitutionalist jurisprudence, a McCain administration would be enveloped by conservative thinking in this area.' The authors remind anyone who needs reminding that 'the strand of jurisprudential thought that produced Sen. Warren Rudman and Justice David Souter is no longer vibrant in the Republican Party.' Calabresi and McGinnis also made a point of calling up the ghost of Harriet Miers. The brief furor over McCain's perceived heresy, and the swift corrective by the true powers that be, signals that on Republican judicial appointments there is no longer any space—politically, institutionally, or theoretically—for moderation or independence. What we saw from the elite conservative thinkers this week is a broad promise to John McCain: 'We erased Ms. Miers. We can erase you, too.'"
Please keep in mind that we have to take back the White House, and then spend time to build up or rebuild a legal establishment comparable to what the right-wing nuts have in DC.
by chingchongchinaman on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:00:44 PM PDT
yes, McCain will ONLY be able to nominate some RW wacko.. there are no moderate Republicans, at least none that the Rethugs would allow to be nominated.
it does not follow that there are no liberal Democratic judges to appoint.. "all" it would take is a D President and Senate to stand up for principles
What's been lost is not the liberal legal establishment.. but the Democratic Senate's willingness to stand up for principles
by pitbullEmily on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:10:20 PM PDT
I wasn't alive during Douglas' tenure, but I learned all about him from a random wikipedia article! He's (was?) the greatest! A scholar and a patriot, with pages and pages of very inspirational quotes.
by m4gill4 on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:01:47 PM PDT
If Annie and I had had a boy (both our kids are girls), William was at the top of our list. Much of Douglas' personal life was pretty seedy, but as a jurist, he was truly one of a kind -- the greatest. Probably the greatest champion for the environment this country has ever had.
McKinney/Clemente 2008: Parties that sell out the Constitution don't get my support or my vote.
by simca on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:37:03 PM PDT
He was a rarity. A Justice like him doesn't come often in a lifetime.
I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose
by Lilyvt on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:53:10 PM PDT
Who will hold the veto power after November? Dems won't need that 60 vote majority to get anything past the Senate any more. The republicans will be irrelevant. They can make all the noise they want but it will be just that...noise.
by GMFORD on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:34:46 PM PDT
I think I'll reserve judgement on the coming Democratic juggernaut for now.
The bunch that sits in Congress at the moment and trembles with fear each time an R looks at 'em crosseyed does not (with a few notable exceptions) exactly excite confidence.
It's going to take a lot more gate crashing, out with the old (lobbyist loving, Constitution ignoring, Bill of Rights squashing) guard before we will see anything like what we've all been working for. A return to the actual rule of law, an end to torture and illegal renditions, a closing of Gitmo, and a withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
For now, if we care about this lady, we need to do all we can to prevent the appointment of another "Scallia".
Searching for corrupt, lobbyist loving John McCain?
by Lisa Lockwood on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 03:36:20 AM PDT
Yes, we can!
by GMFORD on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:47:09 AM PDT
Republicans kinda liked him back when he was nominated. (confirmed 98-0) Of course, they weren't quite as rapid as they are now.
I believe Stevens was kind of a moderate at the beginning, but soon morphed into quite a stalwart liberal over the years.
Wikipedia
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."- Voltaire - [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778)
by markthshark on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:34:52 PM PDT
hillary
Senator's always fly through confirmations we're down to one women, and she's not that old...
When we say worst president in history, we're including the next 200 years as well
by askyron on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 10:13:08 PM PDT
I think she'd be great, but I would also love to watch all the right-wing heads collectively explode upon her nomination.
by mbzoltan on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 10:32:23 PM PDT
Let's assume that Obama would "reach across the aisle" or that Clinton would "continue to work with her colleagues" (or whatever quote you want to use to describe her ability to work with Republicans).
Do you think for an instant, even a nanosecond, that either of them could possibly nominate the likes of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, or Roberts?
If you do, please identify just who that might be?
by Pinecone on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:39:59 PM PDT
I'm no fan at all of how Big Dog and his team have dragged the Dem fight down, but for all that, in terms of the overall package, any Dem beats the Republicans any day. That especially applies to judicial nominees, and why either HRC or Obama will get my vote, piddling as it is, come election day.
by chingchongchinaman on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:43:10 PM PDT
by Pinecone on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:47:11 PM PDT
She gave us the idiot in the White House.
Gore to Richardson to Edwards to ?
by creeper on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:25:39 AM PDT
There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 07:02:23 PM PDT
I don't think he'd FUBAR SCOTUS. FYI.
by sophically on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:20:17 PM PDT