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from the 'attack demon' link:
We’re asking Congress to update FISA and especially to extend this protection to communications providers alleged to have given such assistance any time after September 11th, 2001.
By backing up the admin, Reid is aiding and abbetting the administrations lies. Specifically that warrantless wiretapping began after 9-11.
This lie must be confronted Head-On.
It must be pinned on Reid's chest like a medal of dishonor.
"Cynicism is a sorry wisdom." - Barack Obama
by BlueGenes on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 12:57:08 PM PDT
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Bush/Cheney, just won't do anymore!
by leonard145b on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:05:41 PM PDT
If passage of FISA is so important before the SOTU address, then give it too Bush with no immunity for the telecoms and let him bear the responsibility.
Blanket immunity has nothing to do with defense of the nation... only defense of the most criminal administration in the history of the United States!
And while I'm at it... its a good time to remind Reid and Pelosi that the reason for not taking Impeachment off of the table is that in negotiations if you have no stick... the carrots that you hold out look like begging and that is really weak and lame.
You have nothing to induce compliance with the constitution or our laws in that position and Bush has shown that he will continue to break our laws with impunity.
Its about time that Reid and Pelsoi took a stand on principle. This "negotiation" and "pragmatism" crap has gotten us nothing but the biggest Orwellian nightmare in our history!
by Flint on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:39:22 PM PDT
kinda like when Dear Leader just went to the Saudis with no stick.
For a guy who originally campaigned on restoring respect to the office of the Presidency, he sure has a penchant for being an international beggar.
by BlueGenes on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:59:10 PM PDT
of Negotiating. Reid aced Capitulation 101. Pelosi wrote an "A" Paper entitled: "PEACE IN OUR TIME."
"We the People of the United States..." -U.S.Constitution
by elwior on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:12:43 PM PDT
The Dem leadership is CORRUPT.
Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night.
by Glorfindel on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 05:46:19 PM PDT
The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana
by Bobjack23 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 06:10:50 PM PDT
I just don't understand why this is not an absolute no-brainer for Reid. I feel like there has to me something big behind the scenes we are not seeing because the whole thing is so irrational.
"The maxim of civil government being reversed in that of religion, where it's true form is, 'divided we stand, united we fall." - Thomas Jefferson
by DWSUWF on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 06:49:18 PM PDT
I have the impression that Reid has no brains, only a pair of lips with which to kiss Bush's ass!
The Prince of Peace has been usurped by the God of War.
by Spoc42 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:58:58 AM PDT
and has the goods on Reid...?
by Gustogirl on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:03:26 AM PDT
Give 'Em Head Harry.
Anyways, I now think of Harry Reid more as Dr. Smith from Lost in Space. Each week, Dr. Smith would secretly try to sell the children into slavery or trade the lives of the Robinson family for his own personal gain. For some reason, the family never blew him out the airlock when they learned of his craven greed. Instead, Will Robinson would just just sigh, "oh, doctor Smith!"
For some reason, Senate Democrats are content with continuously sighing, "oh, Senator Reid!" instead of doing something about him.
And now a word from the National Paint, Varnish and Lacquer Association
by Olds88 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:45:51 PM PDT
"Give 'em Head Harry."
The only thing is (to extend the metaphor)I picture him more of "Bend him Over Harry!"
by elwior on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:16:03 PM PDT
Contact: Senate majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)
It feels GR8!!
Get 'em, kossacks!!
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."- Voltaire - [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778)
by markthshark on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 10:17:25 PM PDT
Sir I realize that you do not directly represent me, but in a way you do represent me and every US Citizen. So it is with that in mind that I write this. The Senate is considering the new FISA bill and it seems that the bill being pushed is the version containing immunity for the telcom giants. I also believe by the bills draft that it will in fact also grant immunity to the Bush Administration. Far more than half of the country have voiced their opinion that the FISA bill has already gone far too far even without the immunity provision. It is my understanding that we have at least a few senators who if necessary will filibuster the bill to try to stop it. My question to you sir after reading what appears to be a threat by you against our own Democratic Senators who oppose this bill is what the heck is going on? Why is it that if Democrats oppose they would be required to actually stand there and perform a filibuster, but if it is Republicans opposing something all it takes to stop it is just voicing opposition. Sir just which party do you represent? I must be mistaken since I have been under the misguided belief that you were a member of the Democratic party elected to represent the people who put you there. The Bush administration has managed very well to ignore our constitution in far too many ways without those in what is suppose to be the opposition party enabling them at every turn. I respectively ask that you take the stand that America demands and stop this bill which is not necessary and which gives get out of jail free cards to those who would shred our rights under the constitution. From a very disappointed Democratic voter.
Sir I realize that you do not directly represent me, but in a way you do represent me and every US Citizen. So it is with that in mind that I write this.
The Senate is considering the new FISA bill and it seems that the bill being pushed is the version containing immunity for the telcom giants. I also believe by the bills draft that it will in fact also grant immunity to the Bush Administration.
Far more than half of the country have voiced their opinion that the FISA bill has already gone far too far even without the immunity provision. It is my understanding that we have at least a few senators who if necessary will filibuster the bill to try to stop it.
My question to you sir after reading what appears to be a threat by you against our own Democratic Senators who oppose this bill is what the heck is going on? Why is it that if Democrats oppose they would be required to actually stand there and perform a filibuster, but if it is Republicans opposing something all it takes to stop it is just voicing opposition.
Sir just which party do you represent?
I must be mistaken since I have been under the misguided belief that you were a member of the Democratic party elected to represent the people who put you there.
The Bush administration has managed very well to ignore our constitution in far too many ways without those in what is suppose to be the opposition party enabling them at every turn.
I respectively ask that you take the stand that America demands and stop this bill which is not necessary and which gives get out of jail free cards to those who would shred our rights under the constitution.
From a very disappointed Democratic voter.
Peace :)
June 3rd 2008 America is at last started on the road to long awaited recovery
by eaglecries on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:01:30 AM PDT
won't the telecoms still be liable for what they did before 9/11?
The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.
by lysias on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:14:25 PM PDT
Here you go Mr. Reid, I even wrote your speech for you:
"Dubya says that this FISA bill is life and death, and yet he says he will veto it if we dont provide immunity for the telecoms. So in fact the only thing that is life and death are the revenues and profit margins for AT&T, Verizon and Bell South.
Tell Dubya and the Pubs in congress to stop playing games with national security: either it's life or death, which means pass the bill regardless of telecom immunity or it's not life or death, which means let it lapse and let's craft a better bill now that we have some time".
The world is so cold and the rhythm is your blanket, wrap yourself up in it, if you love it then you'll thank it.
by Ajax the Greater on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:24:13 PM PDT
Harry would never say that.
AT&T gave him $22,000 in 2006.
Reid won't fight for you, because he's busy fighting for his corporate paymasters.
yes, i realize I'm breaking the rules by criticizing a democrat. Sue me.
by Frenchy Lamour on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:03:19 PM PDT
If this is what Democrats are going to do, they NEED TO BE EXPOSED. No more having it both ways.
Nader, I fear, was right all along. No difference between Republicans and Democrats, some bullcrap rhetoric aside.
McKinney/Clemente 2008: Parties that sell out the Constitution don't get my support or my vote.
by simca on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:29:01 PM PDT
unfortunately it is getting smaller every day...
In a 1787 letter to Edward Carrington, a hero of the Revolution and member of the Continental Congress, Thomas Jefferson wrote of the role citizens played in keeping the government's nose to the grindstone: "If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, Judges, and Governors, shall all become wolves."
by LostInTexas on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:12:37 PM PDT
...except in a very few cases. We need a new party, or a mother lov'en Jeffersonian revolution that sweeps out the majority of both parties and Diebold et al has been put in place to prevent just that.
I have more in common with my Republican neighbors and relatives than I do with the Democratic leadership in DC and most of the Democrat presidential candidates...bare in mind I say that loathing Republican political philosophy.
by Bobjack23 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 06:20:11 PM PDT
He's a ball-less Bush-abetting bastard.
Word to all sell-out, corporate-owned Democrats: No donation without representation!
by big spoiled baby on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 11:25:25 PM PDT
Let's stick a provision in there which clearly states that any infractions committed before 9/11 will still be prosecutable.
Of course that will never happen, because Reid is a shill.
We need a new leadership.
"we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization" - Al Gore
by racerx on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:36:52 PM PDT
Actually it's like the old "Would you like some molasses?" "I ain't had NO 'lasses yet."
We need some real leaders not infected with the insidious Rubberstamp and Spineless viruses.
Throw the bastards out and keep throwing them out till the new ones get the message!
by jakebob on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:14:53 PM PDT
thats just what Cheney is saying to try and sell the FISA extension.
He's uh, you know..... lying again.
by BlueGenes on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:00:29 PM PDT
daily Kos is a blog dedicated to electing democrats. Stop criticizing Harry Reid. He is a Democrat and you are undermining the explicit rules of this site. Rather you should writing, "Hooray for Harry!!!!"
or so I've been told by others when i was criticizing Bush Dogs a few weeks back.
by Frenchy Lamour on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:00:48 PM PDT
I will oppose the re-election of anyone, nominal Democrat included, who votes for telcom amnesty. That would be an abandonment of such a core principle as to render the label Democrat irrelevant
If that is a problem here, I'm in the wrong place. If the rumored clout of this community is worth anything, that is where we should stand up and draw a line in the sand.
Tell me that Ralph Nader wasn't right. I'm begging you all.
"I can't be part of a famous hippie commune. I have a career to think about" - Candy Crowley, 1973
by MadCityRag on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:18:38 PM PDT
Not a lick of difference, aside from that the Republicans will at least tell you that they're gonna fuck you, while the Democrats will pretend to be on your side.
by simca on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:30:50 PM PDT
cost Gore the election. The party of Corporate Hillary and the great congressional Democratic leaders:Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi and Harry "Filibustering is off the table" Reid spits on progressives repeatedly. We do have a two-party system, though. We've got the Fascist(Formerly GOP)Party and the Republican Lite(Formerly Democratic) Party.
by mcartri on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:42:07 PM PDT
No thanks.
by simca on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 05:03:43 PM PDT
Republicans are parasites, Democrats are symbionts.
by LostInTexas on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:25:10 PM PDT
But, as a loyal DEMOCRAT...
FUCK HARRY REID.
No matter how cynical I get, it's impossible to keep up.
by Flippant on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:30:32 PM PDT
I was going to opine in Harry's general direction that he should just go ahead and shoot the dog, as the diarist says he threatened to do..
But we can't have anyone getting the wrong idea about that, can we?
(/snark)
On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place
by o the umanity on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 08:14:37 PM PDT
I'd say they wouldn't need immunity if it was "alleged" eh?
Garrhgsfsafasd!
by Hedwig on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 02:35:05 PM PDT
It must be pinned on Reid's chest like a medal of dishonor
The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein -- best book ever, I nominate for a Nobel Prize!
by xaxado on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 07:13:26 PM PDT
wide narrow
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