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Impeach before Bush and Cheney start another war based on lies.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 12:59:23 PM PDT
I assumed this was the case. Now if we could just prove they duped the tape of threats too.
"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" - Abraham Lincoln
by LondonYank on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:22:53 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
My brain fixes my typos.
Thanks for the kind words.
These folks weren't kidding when they said they create their own reality. We're fools when we buy into their stories.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:30:09 PM PDT
it's Strait, not "straights."
by Brooke In Seattle on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:40:51 PM PDT
I could use an editor.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:48:22 PM PDT
I'd jump back into the water and wave a fin at Brooke and Yank... :)
by griz4u on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:55:28 PM PDT
I could use a job.
Unfortunately, editing diaries on DK doesn't pay in much more than TU status because I comment so often -- since I'm not working.
But you're welcome. I live to edit.
by Brooke In Seattle on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:57:11 PM PDT
Good luck on the job hunting. The economy sure isn't helping job seekers.
I'm a geochemist who knows geography pretty well but I make a lot of little errors. I rather write quickly and clean it up later than go slowly. I get bogged down and hung up if I worry about details while I write.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:03:14 PM PDT
THis is what I have so far:
It was a dark and stormy night...
Okay? Get back to me when you've got that done.
"A problem facing any American is a problem facing all Americans." Obama
by otto on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:05:58 PM PDT
Edit my novel.
and many are not good.
Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry. F. Scott Fitzgerald, the Great Gatsby
by riverlover on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:53:05 PM PDT
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -John Stuart Mill
by word player on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:21:27 PM PDT
Edit?! My novel!
by otto on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:09:17 PM PDT
Bottled hot water for dehydrated babies? WTF?!
by JVolvo on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:23:04 PM PDT
Repeat 30,000 times.
Now pay me.
American foreign policy is NOT a Viagra substitute.
by DanK Is Back on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:10:30 PM PDT
It was a Snark and Normy night. Actually, they both preferred "Normy and Snark" because it had a better ring to it, like "Starsky and Hutch" or "Hannity and Colmes." But that sorta fubars the point of the story.
Anyway, it was night. And, of course, dark.
Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.
by sxwarren on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:36:25 PM PDT
it was raining heavily. And thundering. With lightening and a chance of hail. With fog.
That is, it was stormy, too.
NFTT Progressively supporting the troops
by Timroff on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:02:33 PM PDT
Doubleday! He thinks this could work with the people who buy books from Jonah Goldberg and David Frum!
Though he thinks we might have to simplify it a bit.
by sxwarren on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:42:19 PM PDT
I was laughing so hard I woke up both dogs.
Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers
by groggy on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:50:12 PM PDT
I stood at the rail. The captain came to me. Tell me a story he said. It was a dark and stormy night. I stood at the rail. The captain came to me. Tell me a story he said. It was a dark and stormy night. I stood at the rail. The captain came to me. Tell me a story he said. It was a dark and stormy night. I stood at the rail. The captain came to me. Tell me a story he said. It was a dark and stormy night. I stood at the rail. The captain came to me. Tell me a story he said. It was a dark and stormy night.
This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008
by Tonedevil on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:58:17 PM PDT
on the Strait of Hormuz. O'Reilly was huddled over the radar, still warm coffee mug in his right hand when the first blip showed. WTF, he thought to himself. This can't be. It reminded him of the story his dad had told him about his Navy years back in the sixties.
The old man had been perched over the radar valiantly trying to stay awake and fighting off the last two match heads of China white he'd just put up his nose when the first white blip showed on the screen. Did that just drop out of my nose, he asked himself? A quick flick of a damp fingertip quickly proved him wrong. It was the fucking commies and their god-forsaken dominoes beginning to fall into place.
He spotted the reassuring blip of the C. Turner Joy cruising reassuringly beside his Maddox. Let them come closer he prayed. A cry of 'Bring it on!' reverberated in his mind.
[OK, I'm done - you take it from here..]
"He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman
by RUKind on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:18:55 PM PDT
I get it trite the first time.
"Question authority and the authorities will question you." Now more than ever! I remember when all of America was a free speech zone.
by armadillo on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:31:47 PM PDT
what kind of editor are you? Ever do technical editing (software, online content, etc.)? Kinda boring, but it's a job...;>)
Email if you'd like (address in my profile).
-exme
"When Bigbad Shit come, no run scream hide. Try paint picture of it on wall. Drum to it. Sing to it. Dance to it. This give you handle on it." Kesey
by exmearden on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:34:24 PM PDT
here don't we.
It's the constitution, stupid
by CTMET on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:57:37 PM PDT
education)... Kossacks will have first bite :)
How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? Two. one to hold the giraffe and one to fill the tub with fluorescent toys.
by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 07:26:21 PM PDT
Visit the site in my sig. We need skills like yours. Doesn't pay anything, sadly.
The History Commons needs your participation.
by Black Max on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:34:36 PM PDT
But I gave a rec to those guys that did give a good tip.
It sucks being out of work. You need all the friends and help you can get.
Good luck in your search Brook.
I am here to represent the democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
by Josiah Bartlett on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:54:05 PM PDT
Drop me an email, will you. Addy's in my profile. Maybe I can send some your way.
The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips
by Mnemosyne on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:43:23 PM PDT
I'm a freelance writer with a decent resume, IMO - a few major outlets and such - and I need to pick up more work as I have taken a leave from my day job to finally finish my degree (16 year plan, thank you).
Desperate for just about anything, really. :-)
by baronzito on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:26:51 PM PDT
No matter how cynical I get, it's impossible to keep up.
by Flippant on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:37:52 PM PDT
"...fighting the wildfires of my life with squirt guns."
by deMemedeMedia on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:55:59 PM PDT
I think what stunk about this most was Barbara Starr's poor acting- how in the hell could anyone believe such an obvious scene so contrived and forced? What. A. Joke.
But this whole phone thing is new.
My bet, if we wait a few more weeks, we'll find out that the whole boat scene was filmed during W's play-tub time- those white boxed must have been soap boxes from Mrs. W. trying to clean up his tarnished image.
Listen to Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions. (mp3!)
by borkitekt on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:17:52 PM PDT
(-7, -4.62) I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want and get it. -Eugene V. Debs
by Cheney on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:50:31 PM PDT
No longer a Grand Party. Just an Old one.
by EeDan on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:46:22 PM PDT
by Barrus on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:32:37 PM PDT
the hand snicker. This was a plant for anybody who saw the tape when it first played and was familiar with SOP procedures in the Gulf. Same thing different decade.
Thank god there were cool heads aboard these USN ships.
My kid was unfortunately there when this incident happened, on another ship but caught up in the tangle: http://en.wikipedia.org/...
The USS Cole is a strawman to this story. http://jeff-huber.dailykos.com
He explains the Cole incident correctly. And passage through the Strait is just what it is.
Rice-Rummy had established the Pentagon Rapid Response Team and got nailed for the 'paid news stories' and propaganda in 05-06. Rice likened it to Radio Free Europe.
What Bushies just don't get is the Whole World is Snickering and Sneeing and they demean themselves and our military with the $hit.
http://www.gulfnews.com/... http://www.gulfnews.com/...
The 'trip' to the ME has been disaster except oil has dropped $10 a barrel. My guess is that the Arabs are dropping it to help 'bail out' US lenders. http://www.gulfnews.com/ links to Business or Banking and Finance are informative.
by deMemedeMedia on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:39:11 PM PDT
That's why the price of oil has dropped. The U.S. is the largest consumer of oil. Lower demand means lower prices.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:56:51 PM PDT
Gas was 2.60/gal when the barrel price was $ 60.00 - its $ 2.89/gal with oil at $ 95.00 ... Boy! We've all been had....
We need the Senate to audit these thugs.
by griz4u on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:32:23 PM PDT
from your link. Even the lawyers are out protesting.
"Our rally is aimed at telling Bush that he is not welcome in Egypt due to his policies in the Middle East," said Mohammad Abdul Qadous, the head of the Egyptian Press Syndicate's Freedom Committee, which organises the protest with the Bar Association.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:59:03 PM PDT
he emboldens the enemy by showing what a dullard he is.
by groggy on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:57:19 PM PDT
you hear threatening to blow up the Navy ships wwas actually transmitted by a prankster who was monitoring the radio traffic between the US and Iranian ships.
I guess the straits are notorious for short-wave radio pranksters for whatever reason.
It's not hard to believe when you actually hear the tapes. The "threatening" voice sounds computer generated, like that used by Steven Hawkins.
Obama 2008
by cato on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 01:59:15 PM PDT
who apparently lives to heckle people over the radio, over there.
J.S. McCain III: "Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in our grim, dark future there is only war."
by Shaviv on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:00:35 PM PDT
apparently:
The threatening radio transmission heard at the end of a video showing harassing maneuvers by Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz may have come from a locally famous heckler known among ship drivers as the "Filipino Monkey." Since the Jan. 6 incident was announced to the public a day later, the U.S. Navy has said it’s unclear where the voice came from. In the videotape released by the Pentagon on Jan. 8, the screen goes black at the very end and the voice can be heard, distancing it from the scenes on the water. "We don’t know for sure where they came from," said Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, spokeswoman for 5th Fleet in Bahrain. "It could have been a shore station." While the threat — "I am coming to you. You will explode in a few minutes" — was picked up during the incident, further jacking up the tension, there’s no proof yet of its origin. And several Navy officials have said it’s difficult to figure out who’s talking.
The threatening radio transmission heard at the end of a video showing harassing maneuvers by Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz may have come from a locally famous heckler known among ship drivers as the "Filipino Monkey."
Since the Jan. 6 incident was announced to the public a day later, the U.S. Navy has said it’s unclear where the voice came from. In the videotape released by the Pentagon on Jan. 8, the screen goes black at the very end and the voice can be heard, distancing it from the scenes on the water.
"We don’t know for sure where they came from," said Cmdr. Lydia Robertson, spokeswoman for 5th Fleet in Bahrain. "It could have been a shore station."
While the threat — "I am coming to you. You will explode in a few minutes" — was picked up during the incident, further jacking up the tension, there’s no proof yet of its origin. And several Navy officials have said it’s difficult to figure out who’s talking.
From the Navy Times
by cato on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:02:07 PM PDT
by nu on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:09:20 PM PDT
shouldn't be allowed to monkey around the middle east.
This administration can't get out of office soon enough.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:25:02 PM PDT
by ccyd on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:25:52 PM PDT
things.
by deMemedeMedia on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:59:01 PM PDT
by corvo on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:40:28 PM PDT
-4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."
by sunbro on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 08:02:02 PM PDT
Julius Caesar fed the Roman masses; John McCain feeds the MSM asses.
by grada3784 on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 03:18:35 AM PDT
those "destroyed" torture "tapes."
by corvo on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:58:08 AM PDT
with the leader of Saudia Arabia, you know the one who Bush was holding hands with last time he was there. I hang my head in disgrace at what a bimbo we have for a President.
*a hundred years from now, the future may be different because I was important in the life of a child*
by bonesy on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:27:07 PM PDT
Link?
by Clio2 on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:42:07 PM PDT
here
John McCain; more of the same Bush on Social Security
by davehouck on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 07:04:25 PM PDT
by bonesy on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 07:42:53 AM PDT
by davehouck on Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 04:24:36 PM PDT
"But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj
by walkshills on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:19:10 PM PDT
than i do for tejano chimp.
l'audace! l'audace! toujours l'audace!
by zeke L on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:37:44 PM PDT
Add a Wilhelm scream!
------------------ "Beware of desperate Bush/Cheney false-flag operations!" -Everbody, 6/2008
by Everbody on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 09:08:53 PM PDT
are risking all our lives for their future political and financial gain.
IMHO.
"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together" - Lennon
by dchill on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 02:51:07 PM PDT
political future. Then the financial gain goes out of the picture. If they didn't vote to impeach, vote them out of office, starting with Pelosi.
What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams
by Demfem on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:55:14 PM PDT
by methodishca on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:03:49 PM PDT
IMPEACH ALREADY !!!!!
by berko on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:42:10 PM PDT
"Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
--- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.
by Hounds on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 03:44:20 PM PDT
Impeachment, in any normal times, would follow PDQ.
The key line for follow-up in the Asia Times piece is right at the beginning (my bold emphasis):
Senior Pentagon officials, evidently reflecting a broader administration policy decision, used an off-the-record Pentagon briefing to turn the January 6 US-Iranian incident in the Strait of Hormuz into a sensational story demonstrating Iran's military aggressiveness, a reconstruction of the events following the incident shows.
Forget the small fry, like Whitman. From whence did this "broader administration policy decision" derive? Who ordered it?
A little farther down, we get our answer (or the first inklings of it):
Lieutenant Colonel Mark Ballesteros of the Pentagon's Public Affairs Office told IPS the decision on what to include in the video was "a collaborative effort of leadership here, the Central Command and navy leadership in the field". "Leadership here", of course, refers to the secretary of defense and other top policymakers at the department. An official in the US Navy Office of Information in Washington, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue, said that decision was made in the office of the secretary of defense.
Lieutenant Colonel Mark Ballesteros of the Pentagon's Public Affairs Office told IPS the decision on what to include in the video was "a collaborative effort of leadership here, the Central Command and navy leadership in the field".
"Leadership here", of course, refers to the secretary of defense and other top policymakers at the department. An official in the US Navy Office of Information in Washington, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue, said that decision was made in the office of the secretary of defense.
So it was Gates. It's Secretary of Defense, and former CIA chief Gates's resignation we should be calling for. But, I find it hard Gates would have initiated this all on his own. He must have consulted with, if not received orders from either Cheney or Bush. -- Funny though how those three letters keep popping up whereever you look: C-I-A.
Where's a free and enquiring press when you need one?
War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus
by Valtin on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 04:03:57 PM PDT
You can be damn sure he approved of this as part of the strategy for the trip. Bush has had a thing for Iran for years (axis of evil).
I would also doubt that Cheney was out of the loop.
I think they are all involved.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:07:10 PM PDT
Let the investigations start with Gates... a dubious fellow if there every was one, whose hands are stained with the IRan-Contra and much more, and who got a pretty free ride from the media and Congress for his confirmation after Rumsfeld decamped.
I wrote a pretty good -- and, alas, mostly overlooked -- diary on him in November 2006:
Iran-Contra, Iraq, and WMD -- Who is Robert Gates?
...Robert Gates is no innocent. A protege of William Casey, Gates was forced to withdraw his nomination for Director of the CIA in 1987, because of questions about his role in Iran-Contra. While not indicted, the Walsh report devoted an entire chapter to Gates and his dubious behavior during the Iran-Contra affair, and his less than forthcoming testimony before Congress. Finally, Gates was heavily implicated in a secret progam in the 1980s to provide crucial satellite information to Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War. This information may also have facilitated Iraq development, at that time, of their nuclear weapons program!
...Robert Gates is no innocent.
A protege of William Casey, Gates was forced to withdraw his nomination for Director of the CIA in 1987, because of questions about his role in Iran-Contra. While not indicted, the Walsh report devoted an entire chapter to Gates and his dubious behavior during the Iran-Contra affair, and his less than forthcoming testimony before Congress.
Finally, Gates was heavily implicated in a secret progam in the 1980s to provide crucial satellite information to Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War. This information may also have facilitated Iraq development, at that time, of their nuclear weapons program!
Here's Democratic Senator Tom Harkin on Gates during the latter's 1991 confirmation hearings for CIA director (Gates's second go-round on that):
[Gates] helped develop options in dealing with the Iran-Iraq war, which eventually involved into a secret intelligence liaison relationship with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Gates was in charge of the directorate that prepared the intelligence information that was passed on to Iraq. He testified that he was also an active participant in the operation during 1986. The secret intelligence sharing operation with Iraq was not only a highly questionable and possibly illegal operation, but also may have jeopardized American lives and our national interests.
by Valtin on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:31:58 PM PDT
What had I dreamed the whole thing? That Face was familiar? But not a single story. How could I have been that mistaken? And no mention in Congress. , either. Hummm.....
Well, I might have been wrong. NOT! They are all in this together.
There is no tin-foil-hat. We are all screwed!
by farleftcoast on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:56:15 PM PDT
and it's worth adding that Gareth Porter is a highly credible journalist. He is the one who first produced a detailed account of the (rejected) Iranian offer to the Bush administration in spring 2003 to work out a "Grand Bargain", as it's now termed. Porter's work on that story (though he said he possessed a copy of the Iranian letter to the State Dept) was ignored for many months until the American corporate media suddenly "discovered" the story.
Excellent diary, FooW. There are some outstandingly important things published at Asia Times on a regular basis, and Porter's work is among the best.
"Our programs are as lawful as they are valuable." -Michael Hayden
by smintheus on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:10:14 PM PDT
that there are still excellent journalists out there, and parts of the press relatively unattached to the Bush/Cheney spin machine.
by Valtin on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 05:33:21 PM PDT
he spoke about this last Friday on Democracy Now!
...we don’t yet know exactly what the sequence of events was in this incident. We don’t know exactly when the voices that we hear making what appear to be a threat to the American ships, where—when that occurred in the sequence of events in this incident. And it seems very possible that indeed the Pentagon did splice into the recording, the audio recording of the incident, the two bits of messages from a mysterious voice in a way that made it appear to occur in response to the initial communication from the US ship to the Iranian boats. And it seems very possible that, in fact, those voices came at some other point during this twenty-minute incident. So this is something that really deserves to be scrutinized and, in fact, investigated by Congress, because of the significance, in the larger sense, of a potential major fabrication of evidence in order to make a political point by the Bush administration. (emphasis mine)
...we don’t yet know exactly what the sequence of events was in this incident. We don’t know exactly when the voices that we hear making what appear to be a threat to the American ships, where—when that occurred in the sequence of events in this incident. And it seems very possible that indeed the Pentagon did splice into the recording, the audio recording of the incident, the two bits of messages from a mysterious voice in a way that made it appear to occur in response to the initial communication from the US ship to the Iranian boats. And it seems very possible that, in fact, those voices came at some other point during this twenty-minute incident.
So this is something that really deserves to be scrutinized and, in fact, investigated by Congress, because of the significance, in the larger sense, of a potential major fabrication of evidence in order to make a political point by the Bush administration. (emphasis mine)
"Let all