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A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having // Swords Crossed
by quaoar on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 06:06:05 AM PDT
Why would the Bush administration go against it's base's instincts?
The Republican party's southern strategy was a polite way of implementing a higher class version of KKK ideas.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 06:12:31 AM PDT
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Exposes him for the hypocrite he is.
Talk to Action
by Troutfishing on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:02:01 AM PDT
of domestic terrorism not called by it's true name is the attempt to bomb protesters at Jerry Falwell's funeral using devices
made of a combination of gasoline and detergent
That's homemade napalm. Recipes availble in those horrible books from Paladin Press. Story here.
by nuttymango on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:04:30 AM PDT
he must have been following the teachings of Falwell, doesn't much sound like the teachings of Jesus.
The student, 19-year-old Mark D. Uhl of Amissville, Va., reportedly told authorities that he was making the bombs to stop protesters from disrupting the funeral service.
Think Tank. "A place where people are paid to think by the makers of tanks" Naomi Klein.
by ohcanada on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:49:28 AM PDT
funeral to keep them from disrupting it.
Whazzat you say? How would bombs blowing up not cause a disruption?
Erm...ah...um... Lemmee get back to you on that, m'kay?
/snark
Non-energy compliant light bulb on in that boy's head with nobody home.
Senator McCain, we don't have to twist everything that comes out of a Republican's mouth - you guys come pre-twisted.
by PatsBard on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:07:20 AM PDT
IOKIYAR
Part of their VALUES.
by Temmoku on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:48:52 AM PDT
Tell me how you spend your time and how you spend your money -- I'll tell you what your values are.
by oldpro on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:22:31 AM PDT
All these American fascists have names that say just what they are. "Falwell"? Fall Well - that best describes Satan, who fell so well from grace that he rules evil, the second most powerful entity in Creation (after god, his boss - and perhaps Jesus, his competitor, but the jury's still out on that contest).
Falwell's American body is gone, but his evil spirit lives on.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST
by DocGonzo on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:48:15 AM PDT
But, you know, it was Clinton's fault for passing the assault-weapons ban and driving McVeigh over the edge.
"Intelligence and stupidity have no limits. Unfortunately it looks like stupidity has won" -Arsene Wenger
by brownsox on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:44:47 AM PDT
If there isn't that acronym already, there should be.
by Mother of Zeus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:43:53 PM PDT
So what you're saying is that we shouldn't pass laws that would benefit our country, like maybe outlawing assault-weapons (what could you possibly do with a machine gun that didn't result in someone getting hurt or killed?), because some stupid redneck decides he doesn't like it? If we give them what they want it'll only encourage them.
by Efilnikufesin on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:22:04 PM PDT
Not serious.
"A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." Douglas Adams
by splashy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:34:05 PM PDT
by brownsox on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:48:45 PM PDT
Those Paladin Press books are not to be confused with the classic The Anarchist Cookbook by William Powell published by CrimethInc in 1967.
The Anarchist Cookbook recipe for "homemade napalm" calls for gasoline and white styrofoam made from breaking up thermal coffee cups.
by DocGonzo on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:45:37 AM PDT
I guess the newer recipe is gasoline and white soap flakes -- I forget which brands, Ivory laundry detergent maybe.
And for all you NSA, SS, Carnivore, what-have-you bots parsing this page, We don't condone this stuff. We just want to see those who use these devices properly named and held accountable.
by nuttymango on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:57:37 AM PDT
I recommended your comment because I agree with it. Nonviolence is always more powerful, though sometimes you have to punch a bully (or repel an invasion) because the cost of nonviolence is to die or be crippled.
But I'm not afraid of the NSA/etc seeing my comment. I have the inalienable right to speak the truth in public, regardless of my reasons.
by DocGonzo on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:09:04 AM PDT
I understand we are good at research etc, but the wrong people might follow the link and...
NOW is time to uphold the Constitution and protect it from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
by Mulkum on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:59:24 AM PDT
I am pretty sure they were also capable of typing "napalm" into a search engine.
by Mother of Zeus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:45:17 PM PDT
Have the Repubs for "Law and Order" really gone after the Assassins for Life for bombing abortion clinics the way their rhetoric would indicate? People like O'Smelly talk about Islamofascists, but how about the Christofascists?
I'm not asking you to take the country back, I'm asking you to take it forward-Van Jones.
by Judge Moonbox on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 06:37:35 PM PDT
In the words of Bill Maher "They're only pro-life as long as that life is microscopic"
by Efilnikufesin on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:26:44 PM PDT
organizations? They have even politicized law enforcement! There is not a single piece of our lives that they have not tried to turn against us.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by FXDCI on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:56:20 AM PDT
federal building bombed by Nichols and McVeigh to protest FBI law enforcement.
"Speak out, judge fairly, and defend the rights of oppressed and needy people." Proverbs 31:9
by zdefender on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:46:41 AM PDT
That was Clinton's fault.
by HugoDog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:25:10 PM PDT
Some were blaming the A-rabs. People should learn not to jump to conclusions.
by feelingverybad on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:06:59 PM PDT
Tom Tancredo wants to bomb Mecca, but is happy to support groups with links to white supremacist terrorists at home.
by feelingverybad on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:11:42 PM PDT
From dictionary.com:
ter·ror·ism /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
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by gatordem on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:26:53 AM PDT
by the Republican base for years. The terror has been very successful in reducing the number of abortion providers.
by FishOutofWater on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:46:30 AM PDT
It's an excellent example of a highly successful terrorism campaign right here on American soil.
by Mother of Zeus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:46:28 PM PDT
The KKK is gaining membership over illegal immigration.
Evolution is an incremental project.
by Common Cents on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:42:56 AM PDT
This comment, I presume, was snark?
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:08:54 AM PDT
You are totally talking out of your ass and those that recommend this crap are slurping it up.
I don't like the GOP any more then you do, but this kind of comment is equal to the GOP calling us/Kossacks terrorists who want the overthrow of democracy in the western hemisphere. You are using the exact same tactic as Karl Rove himself.
My comment is not directed at the diary poster. My comment is directed at FishOutofWater and those that rec' the post.
Snap out of it.
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:11:39 AM PDT
The KKK is largely extra-political. They're terrorists, as the diary so accurately points out.
"I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz
by The Termite on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:13:38 AM PDT
and I appreciate your comment. It is not right to paint the GOP base with such a wide brush.
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:15:53 AM PDT
by their silence implicitly permit the KKK and other homegrown domestic terrorists to thrive?
by bronte17 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:26:05 AM PDT
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:45:04 AM PDT
over the top comments made, I don't think Fishoutofwater's two comments above rise to that. The fact that the Republicans have not called out the extreme elements of their party is clearly being demonstrated by their elected members of the senate and house. In addition, George Bush has been shown to use "code" in his speeches and while he has spoken out on "fetal rights" he has not been vocal on hate crimes and crimes against abortion clinics. If one watches Bush it is clear that he doesn't call out extremists in his party either.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire
by hairspray on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:03:00 AM PDT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:07:10 AM PDT
I believe he's called himself out. Not to mention turned his back on what the KKK stands for.
I get pretty tired of Senator Byrd being brought up whenever there's mention of the Republicans and the KKK as if he's still a high-ranking member or something.
by PatsBard on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:14:45 AM PDT
If such a sweeping platitude can be made about the "GOP Base" then the very same argument could be made about Democrats using Sen. Byrd. I know he has tried to reconcile.
But it is BULLSHIT to paint the GOP base with such a wide brush and I am very surprised at the number of kossacks who rise to defend it.
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:28:45 AM PDT
who has ever condemned the actions of Eric Alan Rudolph? You may in fact be able to cite one or two examples, but my point is that in general the ENTIRE PARTY acts like conservative terrorists like McVeigh and Rudolph and Operation Rescue have nothing to do with them.
But they'll link arms with Randall Terry over Terri Shiavo's death bed. And we're supposed to presume that this occurs without the tacit approval of the "base."
The base may not be members of the KKK. But neither do they make their disapproval known, and given their party's history since Nixon (and before), the burden of proof is on them to make the break in no uncertain terms.
Stop being a republican apologist.
Intelligent Designer Laments Lapse in Intelligence
by mrblifil on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:44:30 AM PDT
one point, however:
The base may not be members of the KKK
We know for a fact some are Klansman (David Duke, for example), not to mention the former segregationists, and simple flat-out racists that make up not a small part of the GOP base.
John McCain, 100 years in Iraq "fine with me"
by taylormattd on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:33:25 AM PDT
....fishoutofwater isn't far off. An average white person down here doesn't see or recognize it but it's prevalent and it's conservative.
Republicans not reeling them in isn't a damned bit different from Islamics not denouncing their extremists.
Our children are not born to hate, they are raised to hate. ~Thomas della Peruta
by suspiciousmind on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:59:18 AM PDT
Sen. Byrd is repentant, but other racist Democrats of that era moved to the republic party when the Democratic platform came out for freedom for all. The republic party clinged to anti-American values and welcomed racists with open arms. That's the difference.
"Question authority and the authorities will question you." Now more than ever! I remember when all of America was a free speech zone.
by armadillo on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:31:45 AM PDT
This quote from the link you provided says it all. "It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one's life, career, and reputation," Byrd wrote in a new memoir -- "Robert C. Byrd: Child of the Appalachian Coalfields" --
by hairspray on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:30:52 AM PDT
call him out long ago and asked him not to run.
He ran anyway and won. The people of WV voted for him knowing this.
So it's not like the Democratic party ignored it nor sat in silence and complicity. They didn't use code and they didn't approve. At all. That's a far cry from the GOP base.
Besides, Byrd's background of loneliness and poverty as an orphan partially shaped his desire to belong. His mother died when he just a baby. He was passed along to his aunt and uncle in WV who adopted him. His uncle/father was a member of the KKK.
by bronte17 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:29:16 PM PDT
"tongue in cheek" the sort of joke one might make among friends of similar political views.
Maybe good to remember that this is a public forum, i.e. not exactly a backyard barbeque among just Kossacks.
by libertyisliberal on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:24:36 AM PDT
mustn't upset the drunken abusive neighbors must we, might provoke them. That troll rating on FOOW was out of line.
John McCain is anti-choice
by stevej on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:05:54 PM PDT
that's an authoritative denial. Don't bother explicating your point of view. I'm sure it's WAAAY above the heads of the rest of us BS "slurpers."
by mrblifil on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:39:09 AM PDT
Wipe your chin and take off your Rec.
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:02:46 PM PDT
"We're right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these goddamn things!"-Hunter S. Thompson ;-)>
by rogerdaddy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:55:35 AM PDT
"nod and a wink" attitude expressed in their country clubs, golf courses, smoky back-rooms and boardrooms. One would have to be naive to think otherwise.
by rogerdaddy on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:58:57 AM PDT
but what party is Robert Byrd again? (I know, it was 60 years ago.)
The KKK does pander to social conservatism, but it's not politically uniform.
LeBron is supporting Obama...will you?
by BlueEngineerInOhio on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:23:07 AM PDT
In what party did racist Dems of that era find a home amongst the like-minded, hmmm?
by armadillo on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:35:56 AM PDT
please see upthread. Which party is the party of Michael Schwerner?
by mrblifil on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:48:16 AM PDT
but I saw it after I posted (I read in vertical sequence and usually post on whatever interests me.)
by BlueEngineerInOhio on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:50:34 AM PDT
The Best Anti-McCain Ad [-4.25, -5.33]
by GTPinNJ on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:31:28 AM PDT
I. Can. Not. Credit. A. Sensible. Human. Being. With. This. Statement.
From The Columbia Encyclopedia, 2001-2005, Ku Klux Klan, it is a white supremacist, anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic, fundamentalist Christian political organization.
I'm another Edwards Democrat
by BlackSheep1 on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 02:11:19 PM PDT
but do you deny that racists are one of them? It isn't even necessary to claim that Republicans always make an overt appeal to racists (although they clearly make overt and subtle appeals sometimes) to acknowledge that in our two-party system, racists gravitate to the Repubs.
Democrats: Members of the Democratic Party working to advance democracy; Republicons: Members of the Republicanist Party working to advance Republicanism
by word is bond on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:31:41 AM PDT
"The KKK is the Republican Base."
Would you call Senator Hagel a racist?
Would you call Senator McCain a racist?
Would you call Senator Reed a racist?
What about Senator Byrd?
How about the people that voted for them, would you call them racist?
The republican base counts in the tens of millions. The membership of the KKK no matter how stupid, number in the tens of thousands.
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:41:28 AM PDT
why don't we wait for someone to actually make those claims and deal with them then? Nobody called Senators Hagel, McCain, Reed, Byrd racists and nobody called the people that voted for them racists. And please quit telling people to "snap out of it."
by taylormattd on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:48:14 AM PDT
Stop using insane logic.
"why don't we wait for someone to actually make those claims and deal with them then?"
Here is the claim;
Except for Byrd how much more republican base can you get then running for office as a GOP candidate. It doesn't get much more base than that.
Here is a little more background on Byrd
Now if FishOutofWater can make this claim about the GOP base, then you can only imagine the claims that the GOP can make about Dems who constantly reelect Byrd.
I still stand by my comment that such a sweeping platitude is "BULLSHIT."
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:00:37 AM PDT
Because Byrd was in the KKK 70 years ago, democrats who vote for him (after he has renounced it as his biggest mistake) they are racists?
I don't think I'm the one using "insane logic" around here.
by taylormattd on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:28:14 AM PDT
Because ignorant church burners happened to vote GOP in the last election that makes the entire GOP base part of the KKK.
Insane logic. It is right there in your own response.
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:31:37 AM PDT
ridiculous. Are you denying that the segregationists and racists who used to be part of the Democratic Party did not move to the GOP?
by taylormattd on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:36:15 AM PDT
might have moved to the GOP. How does that make this comment factual,
by Gator on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:42:13 AM PDT
What is your major malfunction. The comment you quote is invoking poetic license to make a point. Stop being a literalist. The implicit indictment in the quote is that, because the Republican base has not been outspoken during the last 30 years about civil rights inequality, they are functionally the equivalent of KKK members, even if their assent is only in form of their silence on the issue.
What about that don't you understand? Or are you having trouble "snapping out of it?"