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  •  He used to work there (17+ / 0-)

    I'm guessing he knows how Congress works. Maybe he already has a few sympathetic friends in Congress ready to introduce such a bill.

    We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace -6.63, -6.97

    by amRadioHed on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 01:42:09 AM PDT

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    •  No member would bring to the floor (1+ / 0-)

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      a bill that would take away their health coverage...it would never happen.

      When it comes to speaking about the economy Hillary has been doing so all year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCRWiIp46Wc

      by EricRSINY on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 02:29:13 AM PDT

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      •  You are right on that point. (20+ / 0-)

        No member would bring to the floor, a bill that would take away their health care coverage...it would never happen.

        You're mostly likely correct.
        That's why you strip the coverage away by Executive Order.  

        •  Unlike the rest of the kumbaya Dems, (37+ / 0-)

          Edwards has the guts to do it by Exec. Order.  People are so use to pansy Democrats, they can't envision one with guts and an agenda.

          Taking our country back better hurry.  When there are so many people, even on this blog, that accept corruption and mediocrity as normal and don't believe it can be eliminated, it really points out how much trouble this democracy is in.

          ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

          by dkmich on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 04:18:51 AM PDT

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        •  Which would be illegal... (4+ / 0-)

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          An executive order can NOT be used to take away Congressional benefits and this has already been discussed from a consitutional law point of view in the media and they said it would not be possible.

          When it comes to speaking about the economy Hillary has been doing so all year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCRWiIp46Wc

          by EricRSINY on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:04:02 AM PDT

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          •  Tough questions (0+ / 0-)

            An executive order can NOT be used to take away Congressional benefits and this has already been discussed from a consitutional law point of view in the media and they said it would not be possible.

            Tell me this, Eric.

            If President Edwards passes the EO and strips the Congressional benefits away, who is going to come to the defense of the members of Congress??

            Who is going to invalidate his actions?

            •  The courts .. in about 2 seconds. (n/t) (3+ / 0-)

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              "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

              by leevank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:53:46 AM PDT

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              •  Leevank (0+ / 0-)

                Who is going to enforce the court's order?

                I'm serious.  Are they going to send a bailiff to the White House to confront President Edwards?

                •  What the HELL are you suggesting? (6+ / 0-)

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                  That a President Edwards would order the Executive Branch to ignore the laws and the Constitution, and to obey his clearly unconstitutional orders even if a court orders them to do otherwise?

                  I'm frankly astounded that so many Edwards supporters in this community seem to want to elect John Edwards as Dictator, rather than President.  And I suspect that John Edwards would be equally astounded by the attitude of many of his supporters here.

                  "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

                  by leevank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:28:47 AM PDT

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                  •  Echo chambers inside of silos... (2+ / 0-)

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                    ...are a/the corporate structure that breeds Enronization...this is the age of Bush just starting to blossom, people who have grown up under the juiciness of power when all it takes to get YOUR goals accomplished is to "think out of the box"...the New Authoritarians...unfettered by old pieces of paper...government by moralistic crowds...

                    HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.

                    by kck on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:42:36 AM PDT

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                    •  I feel like this is Paris circa 1789 (4+ / 0-)

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                      Or perhaps Moscow or St. Petersburg circa 1917.  Those experiments in achieving justice by ignoring inconvenient laws didn't turn out too well, as is the case with virtually all such experiments.

                      Fortunately, there is nothing in John Edwards' history that suggests he favors ignoring inconvenient laws the way many of his supporters apparently feel is the way to achieve "justice."

                      "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

                      by leevank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:57:03 AM PDT

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                      •  No kidding. Thank God Edwards is better... (5+ / 0-)

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                        ...than many of his supporters here, who think St. John's Holy Crusade is more important than the Constitution itself.  If St. John were really the demagogue his supporters here want him to be, I'd be fighting him tooth and nail instead of simply opposing him.

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                        by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:05:18 AM PDT

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                        •  Your comment disgusts me. (8+ / 0-)

                          "St. John" is so fucking demeaning.  You demean yourself with your disgusting and ignorant comment.

                          I find the increasing desperation of Obama supporters quite amusing.  

                          Your comments reveal to the world the lack of progressive values that you have.  It's just a word without content to you.

                          "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

                          by TomP on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:18:56 AM PDT

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                          •  Tom, don't worry with these guys (9+ / 0-)

                            let them defend the system and we will defend the people.

                            UP News - News from the people, not corporations UP News

                            by wade norris on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:20:38 AM PDT

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                            •  Good point, Wade. (5+ / 0-)

                              They really are not progressives or liberals. They worship a man.  That's all.

                              Yeah, I was getting pissed off at the privileged people who argue abstractions while people like Natalie die.

                              You're right.  We'll fight for the people.

                              "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

                              by TomP on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:23:13 AM PDT

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                              •  "They worship a man"? (2+ / 0-)

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                                And you think St. John is demeaning?

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                                by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:26:09 AM PDT

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                                •  Yes, (6+ / 0-)

                                  "St. John" is demeaning and childish.  

                                  And, yes, I think you worship a man.  

                                  I think you have no political conciousness at all.  I don't hear about issues from you.  I find your comments trite for the most part.

                                  "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

                                  by TomP on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:32:46 AM PDT

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                                  •  So you accuse others of being demeaning... (1+ / 0-)

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                                    ...and then go on to issue a string of rather ridiculous personal insults against me?

                                    I'm sure your candidate is proud of your support.

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                                    by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:38:53 AM PDT

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                                  •  Yes, Obama-ism IS personality worship, and (3+ / 0-)

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                                    it is thus quite fascist in that regard.

                                    We do not think that Edwards himself is a holy man; we DO think that Edward's MISSION and MESSAGE is holy & noble!

                                    Obama has NO mission and NO message (hope??); the Obama campaign is thus all about Obama the personality, as if Obama were some sort of holy Christ figure.

                                    Thus, the entire Obama campaign could be considered a bogus shallow cult of personality.

                                    Vote for Pappy O'Daniel!

                                    by pappy odaniel on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 09:56:23 AM PDT

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                                    •  Hey, hey.... Ease up with that! Obama (2+ / 0-)

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                                      supporters differ from Edwards supporters only by degree.  

                                      I do NOT worship Obama's personality.  We are not a cult.  I think that in areas outside of health care, he has some sharp, insightful ideas.  Just a different approach than JRE's - that's all.

                                      He is a good man; I trust the voters in Illinois as it is not a backwards state by any means.

                                      •  OK; I got caught up in all the attacks that (3+ / 0-)

                                        the Obamites here were directing at Edwards.

                                        Just last week I was in your Obama camp. I wanted to take down Hillary so bad, I was willing to join the Obama camp, just to help ANYONE take down Hillary!

                                        But, I want MORE than that, MUCH more; I want to take down EVERY corporatist as well, so I have rejoined the Edwards camp.

                                        I feel that there is some bad Lieberman blood in Obama; I just feel it. Obama has said too many queer things.

                                        Vote for Pappy O'Daniel!

                                        by pappy odaniel on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 10:31:30 AM PDT

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                                    •  Do you have any sense of proportion at all? (1+ / 0-)

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                                      I mostly lurk these days, rec the odd comment, and don't do myself any favors by wading into these candidate diaries, BUT I am a little shocked to find myself described as a fascist adherent of a cult of personality.  You don't draw any distinctions between Obama supporters at all?  Nor the campaign?  Do you really believe this?  I'd be personally disappointed if Clinton is our standard bearer, and I'd be fairly pleased if it was Edwards; I don't consider myself a cultist.

                                      At the risk of offense, I do note that you've taken your user name from a late and imfamous governor of Texas, one notable for both a failed, personality-driven form of populism, and, ultimately, for being a crudely racist opponent of the Civil Rights Movement.  I'm hoping it is ironic.  Of course he did play a role in the popularity of Bob Wills, so I guess no person is all bad.

                                      No one likes armed missionaries. -- Robespierre.

                                      by Gator Keyfitz on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 10:41:11 AM PDT

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                                      •  I took my name strictly from (1+ / 0-)

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                                        the movie "O Brother, where art thou?"

                                        I like how my DKos name sounds, and the movie pappy o'daniel character was sort of cool and pragmatic (FYI, the movie pappy was anti-KKK.)

                                        OK, I respectfully ask you, what is the central theme/message of Obama (please don't tell me "hope" and "change".)

                                        HOW change??

                                        HOW??

                                        Edwards wants to change the system, how,  by leashing the corporatists.

                                        If you can prove to me that Obama actually stands for something concrete like Edwards does, I will correct myself.

                                        Vote for Pappy O'Daniel!

                                        by pappy odaniel on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:13:27 AM PDT

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                                    •  That is really rich! (0+ / 0-)

                                      You accuse Obama supporters of being fascists and worshipping their candidate, when it's Edwards supporters on here who are suggesting that their candidate should have the power to rule by decree, without regard to the Constitution or laws, in order to implement their view of justice.  I've said that I wouldn't trust ANYBODY with that kind of power -- not John Edwards, not Barack Obama, and not even myself.  It's a strange world where that makes me a fascist.

                                      "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

                                      by leevank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:23:54 PM PDT

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                              •  You too? Politicizing Nataline's death! (0+ / 0-)

                                Same on you.

                                HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.

                                by kck on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 09:00:04 AM PDT

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                            •  When did defending the Constitution and (2+ / 0-)

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                              having respect for the rule of law become equivalent to defending the system?

                              (And because of your small political frame in this comment, I should say that I am not campaigning against or for any candidate in the primary.)

                              HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.

                              by kck on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 09:04:18 AM PDT

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                          •  No, it isn't a word without content. (2+ / 0-)

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                            But first and foremost, "progressive" in this country means respecting the Constitution as the law of the land, even when it doesn't allow you to do what you want to do.  Many of Edwards's supporters here seem to have lost sight of that in favor of a vision of demagoguery with which, thankfully, their candidate does not agree.

                            Moreover, I believe you yourself have accused those who don't support Edwards of (let me see if I remember this right) being Nazgul attempting to stop John Edwards's light.  If Obama supporters are regularly accused of being cultists, shouldn't Edwards's most rabid supporters (who are even to the point of being willing to ditch the Constitution for him) be seen in the same light?

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                            by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:25:11 AM PDT

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                          •  But but, why are you so A-N-G-R-Y ?? :) (0+ / 0-)

                            You are right, the Obama club IS getting nervous.

                            They know in their heart of hearts that the Edwards message is the true Democratic message, the classic  Democratic message,

                            unlike the fuzzy post-modernist New Age of Oprah crap that Hillary and Obama peddle.

                            Vote for Pappy O'Daniel!

                            by pappy odaniel on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 09:44:08 AM PDT

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                      •  Paris 1789 is not such a bad model...... (0+ / 0-)

                        Do you think that "hope" and "negotiation" would have been a more productive thing for the starving French peasants to do?

                        Come, let us negotiate about this.

                        Oprah and Dr. Phil will hold both of our hands as we talk.

                        Vote for Pappy O'Daniel!

                        by pappy odaniel on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 09:21:14 AM PDT

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                  •  LOL! Don't blow a gasket... (2+ / 0-)

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                    What the HELL are you suggesting? That a President Edwards would order the Executive Branch to ignore the laws and the Constitution, and to obey his clearly unconstitutional orders even if a court orders them to do otherwise?

                    I'm suggesting that a President Edwards would do well to take whatever executive action he found necessary to implement Universal Health Care, so far as such action is in keeping with the following:

                    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

                    Note carefully what it says about "promote the general welfare," - NOT "promote powerful corporate interests at the expense of the general welfare of working people."

                    •  It also says "provide for the common defence." (3+ / 0-)

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                      So does that mean all Bush's executive orders have been kosher?

                      No President and no issue is more important than the Constitution.  If John Edwards did this, I'd join Congress in fighting it tooth and nail.  (If John Edwards did this, how much of the rest of his legislative agenda does he think he could get through a Congress that he's now set up as "the enemy"?)

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                      by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:02:13 AM PDT

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                      •  Bluster (0+ / 0-)

                        If John Edwards did this, I'd join Congress in fighting it tooth and nail.

                        This is likely brave talk from a disinterested and neutral observer.

                        If fact, if your beloved spouse or precious little boy was afflicted with a rare form of leukemia and you had no insurance whatsoever, you'd be in the front lines FIGHTING WITH President Edwards.  Marching on Congress to support his efforts.

                        You see, it's all about the haves and the have-nots.  You may not realize it yet - but wait until YOU are one of the have-nots in the worst way possible.

                        •  Oh, come off it. This is sheer demagoguery. (3+ / 0-)

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                          The Constitution is more important than national health care.  The Constitution is more important than any part of John Edwards's agenda.  

                          If he wants to try to influence Congress to pull their own healthcare, fine; I don't think it's workable, and it puts him on the wrong side of Congress when he wants friends to pass any other parts of his legislative agenda, but it's perfectly Constitutional.  But if he wants to pull Congress's health care and establish universal health care by executive fiat, that is unconstitutional in every way.

                          Fortunately, John Edwards knows this, which is why I still consider him an acceptable choice for President.  If he went down the path you're going down, I'd actively oppose him instead of simply supporting another candidate.

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                          by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:16:32 AM PDT

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                          •  Commitment vs. checking off boxes (0+ / 0-)

                            But if he wants to pull Congress's health care and establish universal health care by executive fiat, that is unconstitutional in every way.

                            Fortunately, John Edwards knows this, which is why I still consider him an acceptable choice for President.  If he went down the path you're going down, I'd actively oppose him instead of simply supporting another candidate.

                            I won't argue with any of the above, but I think it's instructive as to why Democrats are notorious losers in American politics.

                            People as widely diverse as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Karl Rove have a passionate commitment to their ideals and are not afraid to break laws and piss people off in the process of pushing for their agenda.

                            Modern day "progressives" are a whole different breed.  We are skittish kittens frightened of our own shadow - not to mention taking unilateral action for social justice even if the strict letter of the law is broken.

                            This is why committed, passionate ideologues of either the right or left get shit done.  And it's why modern Democrats get little or nothing done.

                            •  Yes. How dare we respect the Constitution! (3+ / 0-)

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                              How dare we demand that presidents with a D after their name take their oath to preserve and defend the Constitution seriously, even while our opponents don't?  What a path for losers.

                              We despise Karl Rove around here - not only because he's working for the other side, but because he's put political victory above every other consideration, moral and otherwise.  If we Democrats ever openly and proudly lower ourselves to that level, as you're suggesting we should, that will be the day I will no longer be a Democrat.  

                              The Constitution is more important than any president, any Congress, or any issue.

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                              by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:30:00 AM PDT

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                              •  Man! (2+ / 0-)

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                                Dude, you are so theoretical that you are practically floating in the upper stratosphere.

                                I'll just say this:  I'm SO, SO, SO GLAD that
                                Dr. King did not have your passionate idealism about the holy sanctity of the "letter of the law."  I'm glad he was brave enough to go to jail for what he believed in.

                                That's it.  I won't say any more to try to sway you to my brand of activist progressivism.

                                •  Going to jail WAS respecting the law. (2+ / 0-)

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                                  That's what you don't seem to get.  Dr. King going to jail respected the authority of the law by doing so, even as he opposed the law itself.  If he didn't respect the law, he would have run away from prison.  The whole point of civil disobedience is that you accept the legal punishment, thereby making clear that you support the authority of the law in general, while pointing out its absurdity, thereby making clear that the laws themselves need to be changed.

                                  I fear your brand of "activist progressivism," if brought to power.  I think it would lead to the guillotine, as the "activist progressivism" of 1789 did.

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                                  by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:52:43 AM PDT

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                                  •  going to jail was respecting the law (1+ / 0-)

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                                    And I think Edwards is ready to accept whatever "legal punishment' he has to endure in order to point out the absurdity of the congress members wanting health care for themselves and their family but not for the American people.

                    •  Then why not insittute a single payer system ... (2+ / 0-)

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                      by executive fiat?  The answer is that the preamble of the Constitution doesn't give anybody any authority to do anything, and that he recognizes that the President has only the powers delegated to him in Article II.  Don't they teach Civics in the schools any more?

                      "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

                      by leevank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:03:02 AM PDT

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                      •  Ask Obama why he opposes (3+ / 0-)

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                        universal health care?  How many must die?

                        You are arguing abstract bullshit while people die.

                        You know none of it is real, but you want to change the subject.

                        Obama failed the moral test of universal health care.    

                        "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

                        by TomP on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:20:35 AM PDT

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                        •  Oh give me a break! (3+ / 0-)

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                          The only candidate who has proposed a system that would TRULY give universal health care is Dennis Kucinich, because no system of mandates is ever 100% enforceable.

                          And Obama's plan gives EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN the ability to get quality, affordable health insurance with government subsidies for those who can't afford it.  The only people who wouldn't be covered are adults who voluntarily decide not to buy it.  How the question of whether people should be forced to purchase health insurance that they don't want becomes a "moral test" that one can "fail" by not forcing people to do what they don't want to do is frankly beyond me.

                          "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

                          by leevank on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:37:56 AM PDT

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                      •  Good question (0+ / 0-)

                        Don't they teach Civics in the schools any more?

                        We have three successful, highly intelligent lawyers leading the Democratic field, Leevank.  Two of them from posh, Ivy League law schools.  Since they see no need whatsover to bother with impeachment proceedings against a criminal Commander in Chief, why don't you just ask them that same question.

                        Any of them.  I don't have a particular bias when it comes to this issue.

            •  I will. (2+ / 0-)

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              The Constitution is more important.

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              by mistersite on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:55:23 AM PDT

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      •  Feingold (23+ / 0-)

        If I remember correctly, didnt Russ Feingold refuse his healthcare? He would seem like a natural ally in this battle. Or any battle for that matter.

      •  I'm thinking (23+ / 0-)

        Bernie Sanders. He'd probably introduce the bill in the Senate in the blink of an eye.

        We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

        by unclejohn on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 03:45:56 AM PDT

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      •  "It would never happen" (8+ / 0-)

        Never is a long time.  There are plenty of good Congresspeople and Senators along with the other kind.    You're really grasping at straws by saying that there is no person in Congress who would bring this to the floor.  

        "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

        by joanneleon on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:45:29 AM PDT

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        •  There is no member of the Senate who (0+ / 0-)

          would bring to the floor a bill cancelling their health insurance...but allowing for the remote possibility the same thing will happen to it that happened to DK's impeachment bill.  It will be sent to committee and buried as there are too many issues that would come up if this happened.

          When it comes to speaking about the economy Hillary has been doing so all year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCRWiIp46Wc

          by EricRSINY on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:05:43 AM PDT

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          •  Crystal ball (3+ / 0-)

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            Do you have a crystal ball or do you have something else to support and back up those statements?

            "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

            by joanneleon on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:08:58 AM PDT

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            •  Joanne, it's FUD! (3+ / 0-)

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              I learned that acronym from programmers and IT types.  Stands for "Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt."  We Democrats like to sow FUD amongst our own ranks, and to elect leaders who operate under a cloak of FUD, so that no progressive ideals ever come to fruition.

              We need to stop this, I'm sure you'll agree.  lol

              •  Babies and bath water (7+ / 0-)

                I'm under no illusions about our congresscritters.  You can find comments going back a long time about my frustration with them, calling for new leadership, etc.  But there's that thing about the baby and the bath water that we have to keep in mind.  There are still some good dems in Congress.  Blanket statements about what will never happen don't help anyone.  I remember when people said that we'd never win a majority in both houses in 2006, that Gonzales would never resign, etc.  That's my gripe with this commentor -- the blanket statements and the doomsday "this will never happen" predictions.  This kind of attitude can lead to self-fulfilling prophecies, IMHO.

                "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

                by joanneleon on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:51:43 AM PDT

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          •  So give them a new set of choices! (5+ / 0-)

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